sorry it's gonna be long winded.
i've done my best to reconstruct from memory.
my husband was next to me the whole time.
Jesus was mostly silent when before the Sanhedrin. At some point you know they are going to disfellowship (kill) you.
Why answer their questions? Why meet with them?
They know they are going to kill you. They just want to goad you into a self-protective stance so they can feel justified.
If you really don't want to be disfellowhsipped you have to be a total groveling hypocrite and lie, lie, lie.
i'm still "in" and i've noticed an odd trend recently.
conversations with jws seem to be more jw-ish than ever!
in normal conversation, i'll hear: "these watchtowers are just wonderful!
Leaving_
I was baptized 58 years ago at the age of 10.
There used to be a lot more spiritual discussions.
After 1975 and the institution of the Elder arrangement in 1971-2 the quality of discussion declined.
All they have left is their favorite mantra "soon". They are all desperate because nothing has happened. So they try to whip up some degree of enthusiasm.
They've created all these various schools and the product is starting to emerge from the incubators. It is part of a strategy to boost morale.
I would say it's not just you. There is palpable evidence of "isn't the 'slave' wonderfull" attitude increasing.
this is alarming!.
beer contains female hormones!.
yes, that's right, female hormones!.
So, basically beer is the great leveler. It evens things up.
i am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.
i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.
i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.
Remember that all religions are lying!
JW's are just a high involvement group that ask for a lot more sacrifice. But time in any religion is wasted.
Don't do what so many do. They leave JW's and move on to the next love-bombing bunch of hypocrites.
Be glad that you are young enough to rebuild your life. Remember your life is short and you've already wasted enough on religion.
wondering here and would like to get your thoughts.
how do the old-time anointed feel about the new light that they are no longer the fds and only the gb is the fds.
that's quite a change in concept, right?
old time annointed are all dead
i was talking to mrs cedars earlier about one of the things that really frustrates me about our situation as "faders" - namely the fact that we are looked down on by our respective parents, not to mention other older generations of our family.
it strikes me that the incessant attempts to drag us back into unquestioned loyalty to the organization is actually extremely selfish, even though (in their minds) they have only our best interests at heart.. i think of it this way.
they made a decision when they were younger to follow in the footsteps of their own parents' faith - without doing objective research into the beliefs or history of the organization.
I have been plagued by old people my whole life and I'm 68. It's one thing to have problems with your old parents. It's another thing to have problems relating to your x-hippie/beatnik peers.
I told my kids if they feel they ever have to put me in a home I would prefer it to be an insane asylum or prison.
why am i closing all the threads.
i am so sorry if i dont give the right answer.
You need to post more on the creation/evolution theist/atheist threads.
As far as I'm concerned they all need to be shut down.
Tired of opinion swaps.
long time lurker, first time poster.
i'm really glad i can join your community because i've been in the wts for the last 14 years and now i'm on my way out and it's great to meet like-minded people!.
about me: i started learning jw ways when i was in my teens.
It's like a huge fog clears and you're looking around thinking how on earth did you not see it!!!
Keep working at it. The next level is understanding that that Christian Church down the street is also in the fog.
todays scientists can and do insert their trademark into dna.. why couldn't jehovah anticipate scientists learning this technique and stumbling across a strand that says "human by yhwh"?.
that would have answered a lot of questions.. he could have even included a model number human2.0.
Apog: The Bible doesn't say what it doesn't say. Here is the state of reproductive knowledge in the early 1800's
French chemist Jean-Louis Prévost and Swiss physician Jean-Baptiste Dumas show that sperm are the active agents of fertilization in sexual reproduction. The two researchers notice that spermatozoa are present in sexually mature males across all species, but absent in males that have not yet reached sexual maturity. They also notice that mules do not produce sperm, which explains their sterility. Prevost and Dumas correctly theorize that sperm enters the egg during sexual reproduction. This speculation would be confirmed by Martin Barry in 1843. Prior to Prevost and Dumas’ findings, it was widely believed that sperm were either preformed embryos or parasites that live in semen.
People don't realize the advances in knowledge in just the last 200 years. The Bible is based on all humans being inside Adam when he sinned and therefore they all sinned and have to die.
Every human bone found before 6000 bce is a witness against the bible idea of original sin. Ancient bones = Ancient deaths.
todays scientists can and do insert their trademark into dna.. why couldn't jehovah anticipate scientists learning this technique and stumbling across a strand that says "human by yhwh"?.
that would have answered a lot of questions.. he could have even included a model number human2.0.
Apog: Signing our DNA would indicate that someone had access to our genetic code a long time ago. Of course 100% accurate detailed unambiguous fullfillment of prophecy would be significant.
But what can you say about a book that is based on ignorance of the reproductive process in animals. The Bible thought that males squirted a little person (male or female) into the womb and that the woman was merely soil in which the seed grew. Women were fertile or infertile and had no genetic influence on offspring. They had no knowledge of female "eggs".
