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  They Need War Now

  by metatron in

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  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

  there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

  there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

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  Cofty,

  Did you watch the 2nd video?

  Just because there is a lot of nonsense on the internet you will be committing a fallacy to assume that all sensational information on the internet is garbage.

  Sometimes you have to look at the context.

  Most of these guys had serious careers doing what they liked. They are retired and probably have decent government pensions.

  They aren't looking for opportunities to be ridiculed. They aren't looking for adventure or celebrity. They certainly aren't in need of the excitement of airplane rides to conferences.

  And they are the few that have decided it is worthwhile to step forward. Based on their description of events

  there are a lot of people at all ranks that shared these situations with them.
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  They Need War Now

  by metatron in

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  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

  there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

  there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

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  Metatron,

  That would have been a good idea for the United States when it was the only country with atomic weapons.

  The US could have dropped a bomb on any country that looked like they were trying to make a bomb.

  You want nuclear weapons? Here take this one for now.

  The US was in a position of being able to impose its will on any country that tried to get into the weapons business.

  If a country tested a weapon they would have a bomb dropped on their facilities to build weapons.

  The genie could have been put back in the bottle.

  However without nuclear weapons the cold war would have become hotter. India and Pakistan would have killed millions in a coventional war.

  At this point the US should give every country a few missiles and nuclear weapons and the fighting would cease.
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  They Need War Now

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

  there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

  there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

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  scotoma

  Whenever true stories are related you will always find some that will try to sneak false stories into the mix for some personal advantage.

  I would be suspicious of anyone who is writing a book to sell to the UFO freaks who eat this stuff up.

  Also at the point where people are paid to relate their experience I would be suspicious of enhancements to the original narrative.
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  They Need War Now

  by metatron in

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  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

  there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

  there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

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  Either these guys are telling the truth or they are too crazy to be in charge of nukes and we should enjoy every day we have left.

  These are very smart guys. They aren't out for publicity. They are engineers and technical people who tend to be quite pragmatic.

  They had careers and wanted to make sure they got their benefits when they retired.
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  They Need War Now

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

  there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

  there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

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  Cofty,

  There is a lot of information available.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rxDx1O-ImE

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI#t=395
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  They Need War Now

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

  there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

  there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

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  Metatron,

  What about your alien buddies? Do they have a role to play?

  The better documented UFO reports are encounters the military has had with them.

  UFO's have been very menacing to military craft and missle installations.

  They have demonstrated the ability to inactivate their fire power.

  They aren't visiting to give us secrets of the universe and deprive humans of the process of discovery.

  They might, however intervene if the sentient species of the earth were in the process of going to the point that "no flesh might be saved".
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  Does he look like Nathan Knorr? little bit?

  by Iamallcool in

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  This guy looked like Nathan Knorr

  

  Knorr was born in Bethehem Pa just 17 minutes from Iacocca who was born in Allentown PA

  They both were big industrialists.
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  The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

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  an average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.

  on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?

  not exactly working out for you guys.

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  Stand for True Worship

  Put aside all the tit for tat WWF BS exchanges.
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses aren't constructed to surpass others in growth.
  They are constructed to SURVIVE.
  
  Massive Redundancy is the key. Massive redundancy is a familiar
  term to engineers that have to build very expensive apparatus that
  have to survive without a lot of external input. For example
  satellites have numerous back-up systems that can carry on in case
  of damage.
  
  Yes Jehovah's Witnesses have been about numbers. That is a
  human tendency - the "mine is bigger than yours" game. But there
  are any number of crazy rules that if they were removed
  (blood,birthdays,holidays, smoking) would add huge numbers.
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses are more interested in the template of
  membership than size. This forms a perfect matrix for additional
  redundancies. That's why you could take a JW from any Kingdom
  Hall and drop them off at any other Kingdom Hall in the world and
  inspite of language differences they could easily get up to speed
  with their new associates.
  
  Every local congregation down to the service group level mirrors
  every other congregation in the world. They are taught to respect
  their leaders even though they are every bit as fallible as everyone
  else. Everyone knows the rules. That's why they have so many
  meetings. Everyone is sensitive to the slightest deviance from the
  "party" line. As soon as an individual doesn't fit the template in
  words or actions (including style of clothing) they are gradually
  pushed to the periphery and if necessary they are expelled by means
  of a judicial system. They have redundancy of leadership. If one
  leader dies there is another to immediately take his place that is
  familiar with all the rules and requirements.
  
  This close association that is viewed by many of us as authoritarian
  and repressive is the LOVE referred to at John 13:35, "Your love
  for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples."
  Don't look at the inter-congregational friction. Even a family that
  appears ideal to people on the outside could be a mess of rivalries
  on the inside. But you try to attack that family and they will close
  ranks and set aside their personal problems. Many who leave JW's
  cry out for "unconditional" love. A baby gets unconditional love.
  An adult has to learn to love themselves.
  
  The single factor that sets JW's apart for survival is that they view
  themselves as alien residents. They are subjects of a different
  non-earthly government. They refuse to let nationalism have the
  same effect on them as it has the rest of the of the world . Even
  voting isn't allowed which would fan the fame of loyalty to a
  political party.
  
  All of this is what you would expect from disciples of Christ.
  
  Jesus spoke about a "great tribulation" that couldn't be compared to
  any of all the woes humans have faced. A tribulation that would be
  shortened to prevent human extinction. The date for this tribulation
  was left open so he said "keep on the watch. That has been the
  predominant theme of JW's. What do they watch? The main thing
  is some kind of world event that says peace has been accomplished
  followed immediately by an act of aggression referred to as a
  desolating force standing where it shouldn't . That is the time for
  flight. Flight is a recurring theme in the Bible. 1Thess 5:3 suggests
  the need for escape. Christians are told to flee Babylon before its
  sudden destruction. Flee Jerusalem. Rev. 13:10 advises "If anyone
  is meant for captivity he goes away into captivity. If anyone will
  kill with the sword he must be killed with the sword." Christians
  have no swords because they don't have to do battle for survival.
  They will willingly be captive or displaced persons knowing that
  they will eventually be rescued. Sure there are other groups that are
  close knit but they are divided in their loyalty by their willingness to
  defend their motherland.
  
  The discussion in the Bible about the great tribulation is associated
  with the fall of the worlds governments. The people who will
  survive will need massive redundancy. They will need to instantly
  know who their brothers (allies) are. They will need to survive
  huge population displacement. They will need to be able to
  communicate without electronic technology. Jehovah's Witnesses
  are distributed in such a way that messages could be transferred
  over fairly short distances on foot. With the absence of
  governmental agencies they will still have a useable judicial system
  for settling disputes and dealing with the unruly. Every cell
  (congregation) is intimately familiar with their local territory. There
  would be no need for a displaced congregation to struggle with
  orientation.
  
  This is why JW could surive a catastrophe that would threaten the
  whole human race.
  
  As an atheist I still associate with JW's because I consider it a type
  of survival insurance. I believe most of the Bible is like junk DNA.
  It's sole purpose is to transfer to some group of people the
  instructions and model for survival. The only way to assure its
  replication is to embed it in a religious context which gives it sacred
  status. I take seriously the prophecies that involve the need for flight
  and the need to prevent total extinction of the human race. This
  group of Christians play a little numerology game to keep up their
  anticipation. They look for signs in the worlds affairs. Sometimes
  they are wrong. This is necessary to keep this idea alive long
  enough to form a large enough association to be noticed in a world
  of billions of people. JW's are about the size of the average member
  of the UN. They will stand out as survivors after the dust settles.
  
  It seems nationalism is the enemy of mankinds progress. There
  needs to be a reset. The reset is a catastrophic event that is so great
  that the survivors never go down the nationalistic capitalistic road
  again. Once humans start cooperating with each other they will be
  able to join the Cosmic Federation of Culture Formed Worlds. It
  sounds fantastic. It doesn't sound like the smooth course JW's
  believe. If there really were an all powerful - all knowing being do
  you think he might have prevented this miserable world from even
  existing? He would have anticipated this terrible outcome and
  would have never made humans. Instead it suggests that it is under
  the direction of a Sky Kingdom of Aliens. Sentient Brothers from
  other worlds who "feel" for us and have seen it happen many times
  in many places.
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  Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)

  by slimboyfat in

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  after some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.

  thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.

  i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.

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  Wow!

  He sure made an impact here. There's little I could add. I must confess I haven't read all the comments.

  The interesting thing is that he is still in a relationship with us. He felt the need to say good bye.

  In my life when people part ways and feel the need to explain themselves they have actually set the stage for a return.

  The one thing you can say about his character is that he vascillates. This is a sign that he is high on the psychological trait of "openness to experience".

  These people are dominated by their curiosity. They are always searching. They carry seemingly incompatible thoughts in their minds for a long time. Sometimes they

  give up. But that is only part of the creative process they are going through. They can't live without giving their curiosity full reign.

  My prediction is that he will be back.

  Pay close attention to the newbies that come on here. We have over 8000 posts of his and he won't be able to hide his style.

  He absolutely will be back. I know. I've been here before. This is now my third presence.
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  The GENERATION explanation is now a BOLD FACE LIE

  by scotoma in

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  when i first heard about the new "generation" explanation i was confused because i didn't see clearly how they were explaining it.. now it looks like they finally figured it out for themselves and it is no longer confusing.. it is now a simple, ignorant, bold face lie.. this is from the january 1st watchtower.

  (and i hope to hell someone from writing gets wind of this).

  paragraph 15 page 31 blue stands for the exact words in the watchtower.

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  Tim Hooper,

  BALD-FACE BOLD-FACE BARE-FACE

  All are acceptable and have associated origins.

  I chose Bold-Face because it's in print. They actually printed their deception for anyone to see.

  Of course considering the hair status of the majority of the Body of Governors it might be accurate to say bald-face lies.

  I will now be on the look-our for one of Jehovah's pet she-bears.

  That's a whole different topic. Why would Jehovah have a couple she-bears tear apart 42 kids. Were these super she-bears? Were they heat seeking she-bears?

  Why didn't Jehovah just "poof" them. So dramatic. Shame on Elisha not being able to take a razzing so that he cursed them. And Jehovah with his borderline rage was quite willing to indulge Elisha.