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  1914.... current significance?

  by NeverKnew in

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  it seems that when i ask witnesses questions about 1914, they really don't understand the relevance to their message today.

  i am told that they preach about the coming kingdom and that they don't preach a message of 1914. if a person doesn't understand 1914 then i can clearly see how showing them the inaccuracies of the doctrine wouldn't matter.

  can we compile a list of ties 1914 has to their current beliefs?.

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  alcyone

  There are many questions that lead to the 1914 question:

  Why did nobody come to the JW interpretation of the Bible in 1830? ... "Because it was not the time of the end, only after 1914..."

  Why it was right for CTR to leave SDAs instead of 'waiting for Jehovah'? .... "It was different then, it was not time of the end which started in 1914"

  JW's teach there is some special period after the 1914. During this period there are different "rules of engagement":

  - before 1914: study Bible individually, question auhorities, create separate Bible study group, individual relationship to God matters

  - after 1914: join the right organization, otherwise you are lost!

  Maybe you can start from this angle and later they will discover how much they rely on 1914
  
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  Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses? (JW.org FAQ)

  by Da.Furious in

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  found this in my rss feed of, as new faq on jw.org:.

  the answer was .

  a person can resign from our organization in two ways:.

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  alcyone

  Can a citizen of DPRK criticize our great leader Kim Jong Un and our juche worldview?

  Yes he can. Each person makes his own choice regarding what he thinks and says. Our Ministry of People's Security is taking necessary steps to protect our beloved leader Kim Jong Un and to reeducate those showing reactionary attitudes.
  
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  All 2016 Convention videos in English and all Talk outlines for download

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  2. beliefs

  all convention videos in english and all talk outlines for download.

  http://avoidjw.org/2016-regional-convention/

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  alcyone

  Have you seen "Alexey left the truth" video?

  https://youtu.be/rOfchJRX7lg?t=40s

  How is it possible so strong faith is destroyed when a colleague gives you some tract? It is funny to see this double standard - when somebody starts to be involved with the borg it is usually in the same way - tract or magazine handed over...
  

  The same Alexey is shown in the previous video as the one undermining the authority of CO:

  https://youtu.be/8rbP4JPTvPA?t=2m12s
  

  The message is clear: those criticizing unkind COs will be apostates later
  
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  If WWI Had Not Started In 1914

  by JW_Rogue in

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  2. experiences

  would jws ever have arisen the way they did?

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  alcyone

  More people attracted by the future jworg promises than by the past "fulfillment".

  See the period of rapid growth before 1975, then in 1980s, early 1990s when the generation was sooo old. Maybe after the WW2 they got some credit for their pacifism / persecution in the camps, but I feel people are coming to JWdom to have their panda and nice house after the A. The borg is exploiting problems like corruption, crime, wars, insecurity to covert new members.
  
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  God’s Kingdom Rules! to Be Considered at Congregation Bible Study

  by wifibandit in

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  april 26, 2016 to all congregations re: god’s kingdom rules!

  to be considered at congregation bible study .

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  alcyone

  I really like this WTS newspeak term "Bible study". They will study poor WT history book and will say "We study the Bible"
  
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  Today's Study - Shun Disfellowshipped Family, Don't Marry Outsiders, Tell On Others!

  by Divergent in

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  2. friends

  urghhh... what a disgusting study!7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

  for example, a sister named anne received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

  the mother wanted to visit anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family.

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  alcyone

  The situation described in this article would easily be surrounded by nonJW family members, neighbors, friends, coworkers, acquaintances, and onlookers. Although WT can issue the command that nobody ask any questions about the judicial meeting and that nobody talk to the dfd, that certainly doesn't apply to all those nonJWs. And when the mother in this WT story recounts what has transpired and shows what the daughter wrote in the letter to any nonJW, what are they going to think? "What a bitch of a daughter in a stupid church. Poor mother."

  
  What is really disgusting is the fact they are well aware of how the onlookers see the shunning. They put all effort to hide it carefully from the public. That's why https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/ is not not giving an accurate picture and that's why they dilute this dogma when asked by a journalist etc.
  
  
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  Prince was on the board of directors for the WTS

  by Barrold Bonds in

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  i was talking with a friend of mine who knows a few people in the home department at bethel.

  apparently, prince was, as i noted in the title, on the board of directors.

  he apparently was sort of a silent partner or advisor in the whole thing.

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  alcyone

  In the next tv.jw.org broadcast Tony Morris will wear butt-less pants.
  
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  A cording to today's wt not speaking to someone is evil

  by poopie in

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  wow

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  alcyone

  It is disgusting to see that double moral standard...

  If "they" (i.e. worldly people, members of the harlot, mentally sick apostates, opposers, ...) do something it is bad.

  When "we" (i.e. God's clean org.) do the same, it is a big difference, because we are THE TRUTH!
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  people magazine- prince as a JW

  by All for show in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dunno if anyone saw this yet.

  the comments are full of jw apologists.

  http://www.people.com/article/prince-jehovahs-witness-conversion-history.

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  alcyone

  http://www.people.com/article/prince-jehovahs-witness-conversion-history

  The discussion there is great. Not so many opportunities to see apostates debating with jdubs online.
  
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  Apostate Websites Direct Weak Ones Back To Jehovah"

  by pbrow in

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  2. friends

  doing a little thinking here, not really sure how the logistics work though.. lets say the link jw.org is posted here "x" number of times and numerous people click on said link.

  it is my understanding the dubs can see how many hits they get from other websites but can they actually tell what websites the link is coming from?

  if so..... i can picture a sunday talk given in the future... "apostate websites direct weak ones back to jehovah".

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  alcyone

  pbrow, you talk about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer

  I have been always wondering if they monitor the referer values for HTTP requests they receive. They can discover apostates, if somebody is logged in jw.org and in the other tab he reads JWN, when he clicks reference to jw.org, they will see brother X.Y. is visiting them from an apostate web.
  

  So those still with jw.org account ( ), be careful!