Posts by alcyone

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1933 Letter from JW's to Hitler and Nazi Party

by kwr in

i was watching one of the extras on the knocking dvd and a woman commentator talked about a scandalous letter from the jw's to hitler and the nazi party in 1933. does anyone know where i can read this letter at?.

tia.

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alcyone

One important statement from this letter is usually not brought to attention and I consider that statement to be extremely shocking.

In some parts of the country measures are being taken against an association of earnest Christian men and women which has positive Christianity as its foundation.

Maybe we do not see anything special in these words now, but Hitler and co. definitely did. JW's stated they are founded on the positive Christianity. The term "positive Christianity" was used by Nazis to describe some NS flavor of Christianity without the old testament and "Jewish influences".

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

It was mentioned also here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/239256/rutherfords-love-letter-hitler-remix

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SKE school

by alcyone in

would you like to volunteer in the kitchen?

http://ske-vancouver.com/.

i do not understand why they are showing all the information on a public web.... .

alcyone

Would you like to volunteer in the kitchen? See here:

http://ske-vancouver.com/

I do not understand why they are showing all the information on a public web...

I do not understand what they do those 8wks. Some secret knowledge presented there? Like anti-types, Knorr as Elisha, TOMO3 as Eglon, etc.? Or training for "ministry" only? After 8 weeks they must be completely brainwashed...

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

alcyone

S & L,

I have gone through all your posts and i think you still believe JWs are the truth, right? I have not seen you saying things like "the slave is not the God's channel", "WTS is a dangerous cult", "false prophet", criticism of the GB etc. which normally people that are about to leave the org express.

In this case is it not better just to slow down if you have doubts, continue to research and keep your social ecosystem untouched?

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WT March 15, 2016 - Kids pressured toward baptism again

by Designer Stubble in

the study wt of march 2016 is up on jw.org and is the standard article around this time of year...pressuring young kids to dedicate their lives to the organization again.

this wt will be studied during may, so just in time to pressure them into baptism at the regional conventions this summer.such articles really upset me, as the realization of how many young promising lives will be destroyed.

how many families will be broken up, when the child who got baptized as a minor (ages 6 and up are mentioned in the literature) decides as a young adult that his/her conscience no longer allows him/her to be part of such a destructive cult.

alcyone

For example here (those words are quite viral):
https://www.instagram.com/p/BA-_bNopBIn/

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Seven Trumpets of Revelation

by Zico in

i read on here that the society teaches that the seven trumpets of revelation are representative of seven conventions held in america in the 1920. is this actually true?

is it old light?

i asked some witnesses but they all gave me a look like i was weird and said it couldn't be right, and i can't check the watchtower library as i can't get it on my computer (apparently the society doesn't think mac users are worthy of the 'good news') i mean... it would be a bit...odd, wouldn't it?

alcyone

They are still teaching it! Destruction of 1/3 of the earth is equaled to the convention of 22,000 plus proclamation nobody in the world even noticed.

Watchtower 2009, 1/15 pg 32:

8:6-12; 9:1, 13; 11:15—When did the seven angels prepare to blow their trumpets, and when and how were the trumpet blasts sounded? Preparation to blow the seven trumpets included giving direction to the revitalized members of the John class on earth from 1919 to 1922. Such anointed ones were then getting busy in reorganizing the public ministry and building up publishing facilities. (Rev. 12:13, 14) The sounding of the trumpets represents fearless proclamations of Jehovah’s judgments against Satan’s world by God’s people in cooperation with the angels. Notably, this began with the Cedar Point, Ohio, convention in 1922 and lasts all the way down to the great tribulation.

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Watchtower go full on propaganda!

by David Graham in

i see the watchtower are getting extremely desperate now.http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/25503-injustice-abounds-for-our-dear-russian-brothers/check out the professionally edited video, using professional equipment!

alcyone

It is an irony JW elders do not allow to record a judicial committee (you need to use "Rahab tactics"if you want to have it), but WTS proudly presents JWs filming policemen in Crimea. A bit hypocritical, isn't it?

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Is the reasoning book no longer in use ?

by opusdei1972 in

i would like to know if witnesses are still using the reasoning book in the field service.

i am asking about it, because i had read that it is currently out of print, doesn't it??

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alcyone

This discontinuation thing shows well big challenges the WTS is facing now. In the past they discontinued some book when there was a new light published, now they are dropping book they have no replacement for.

So you will not find online (i.e. wol.jw.org) any exegesis of 1,335 days or trumpets in Revelation, but the old Freddie-style books (Daniel's prophecy or Revelation climax) explaining them are not distributed anymore. The light is not shining brighter. I am wondering how they will tackle it...

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"Even if it isn't the truth, it's still the best way to live"

by Simon in

have you heard that old chestnut?

i have.. typically it's the last resort when you have dismantled a jws beliefs and they have no way of defending them.

they know they are beat so they come out with that one.. its effectively an admission that you are right and they have no argument but they are still going to attend meetings because they like the social club.. what a lame way to defend your faith..

alcyone

We can hardly find any similar organization that would impose so many rules and bans...

1) WTS can prohibit whatever they want. This is something other groups cannot achieve so easily - they need a conference or a council to meet, relatively large number of people should agree the change. This naturally leads to slow pace of changes and extravagant things are generally avoided. On the contrary WTS can set whatever rule 5 people (out of 7) agree upon. They proved in the past they literally destroy your life without any remorse. (ban on organ transplants, civil service, blood dogma, ...).

2) In other groups there is a variety of lifestyles you can follow. For example in the RCC there are charismatic groups, there are groups for families, there are catholic scholars, pilgrims, whatever... if you are an introvert you can meditate and look for solitude, if you are and an extrovert you can spend a lot of time with the people. You can join charity and help orphans. You have many things you can pursue and still your friends will consider you to be a good Catholic. The same applies for other denominations, but the WTS is different. Everybody is forced be an extrovert, going "from house to house", charity is discouraged, separate bible study groups de facto banned, constant guilt-trips, "do more" etc. At the end, many witnesses are mentally ill.

I do not see anything superior in the witness lifestyle. And as for morale, if you join a Christian group you will find other people trying to be morally clean (and sometimes failing in the same way as JW's are failing).

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Book Review: The Watchtower Society, Organizational Misbehavior

by johnny depp in

jw
friends

this is the way crisis of conscience should have been written.

finally, a book written on the watchtower society by someone who actually knows how to write!

after reading the subheading, “the psychology of jehovah’s witnesses,” (pages 160–182), i have abandoned the belief that we have an “unconscious,” and will never again consult any psychologist, psychiatrist, or counselor.

alcyone

Looks like professional profile of Judge Rutherford...

A brilliant Bible scholar and ancient language scholar, Gabriel H Ibarra holds supremacy, an excellency worthy of respect. Seeing first hand the absolute mastery he has over these disciplines, I’ll put Gabriel H Ibarra against any scholar with a thousand doctorates any time.

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Who can you trust to admit you have doubts?

by MrMonroe in

(that is, doubts).

in margaret atwood's "the handmaid's tale", a futuristic story of life inside a repressive, abusive big brother-style society tightly controlled by religious fundamentalists, there's a passage in which the protagonist is alone with another woman at a state-controlled centre where prayers are generated -- then printed out and read out -- by a machine.

the other woman asks, in barely more than a whisper, "do you think god listens to these machines?

alcyone

I see three dangerous types of people in the congregations that can lure you to express your doubts:

1) "weak one": You suppose somebody who is missing meetings and doing the absolute minimum will discuss your doubts freely. Mistake! When you confront him with the TTATT, he turns to be a hard core WTS apologist and report you to the elders.

2) "semi-doubter": person expressing various doubts for less important WTS dogmas - trumpets in Revelation, university education - or the person criticizing CO, DO, branch committee. You think "okay I am safe to come out in front of him". Again it is a mistake! When confronted with serious stuff ("deep truths") - wrong christology of WTS, God's name in the new testament, FDS/GB not being led by the Spirit - he looks like he caught you sharing child porn and he goes to the elders.

3) "I can explain everything": self-confident elder who says "come to me, express your doubts, I can explain it. I will give you arguments. Let's discuss the matter." He is so self-confident! He thinks he can destroy any argument against the WTS easily. In reality he expects something like

You: "Brother X, I do not understand the 1914 teaching."

Him: "OK, so let's think - who else is preaching worldwide in 236 lands? Who else has such a great webpage jw.org?"

You: "Oh yes!, thank you brother, now I do not have any doubts anymore"

But if you put really strong arguments on the table, he is upset and he will start to look for ways to DF you.

At the end it is almost impossible to find somebody in the congo to share your doubts...