Posts by alcyone

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Watchtower Nov 2016 - Instructions for Apostates

by Listener in

the november 2016 watchtower is now available and it has more new light but i can't quite figure out what they are saying.

it relates to when the jws were released from the captivity of babylon the great (false religion).

i am not attempting to discuss that in this post.

alcyone

Do it this way in the kingdom hall!

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Is it me or were the experiences at the assemblies really contrived?

by keyser soze in

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my favorite were the ones where they were reading a wt publication in the break room at work, and an inquisitive co-worker, thirsty for spiritual knowledge approaches them.

this leads to an informal witness, which eventually leads to bible study and baptism.. in all my years of working, i've never had anyone show the slightest bit of interest in what i was reading while i was on my break at work.

but as i said, maybe it's just me..

alcyone

I recall our 1st circuit assembly after the fall of communism (there were no assemblies before the fall). As a young boy I was asked to relate my experience and it came written completely from the branch office! It was completely written, we were not allowed to change a word. So I told "my" experience about how schoolmates were pressing me to do something nasty, etc. totally fabricated!

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1914.... current significance?

by NeverKnew in

it seems that when i ask witnesses questions about 1914, they really don't understand the relevance to their message today.

i am told that they preach about the coming kingdom and that they don't preach a message of 1914. if a person doesn't understand 1914 then i can clearly see how showing them the inaccuracies of the doctrine wouldn't matter.

can we compile a list of ties 1914 has to their current beliefs?.

alcyone

There are many questions that lead to the 1914 question:

Why did nobody come to the JW interpretation of the Bible in 1830? ... "Because it was not the time of the end, only after 1914..."

Why it was right for CTR to leave SDAs instead of 'waiting for Jehovah'? .... "It was different then, it was not time of the end which started in 1914"

JW's teach there is some special period after the 1914. During this period there are different "rules of engagement":

- before 1914: study Bible individually, question auhorities, create separate Bible study group, individual relationship to God matters

- after 1914: join the right organization, otherwise you are lost!

Maybe you can start from this angle and later they will discover how much they rely on 1914

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Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses? (JW.org FAQ)

by Da.Furious in

found this in my rss feed of, as new faq on jw.org:.

the answer was .

a person can resign from our organization in two ways:.

alcyone

Can a citizen of DPRK criticize our great leader Kim Jong Un and our juche worldview?

Yes he can. Each person makes his own choice regarding what he thinks and says. Our Ministry of People's Security is taking necessary steps to protect our beloved leader Kim Jong Un and to reeducate those showing reactionary attitudes.

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All 2016 Convention videos in English and all Talk outlines for download

by Watchtower-Free in

all convention videos in english and all talk outlines for download.

http://avoidjw.org/2016-regional-convention/

alcyone

Have you seen "Alexey left the truth" video?

https://youtu.be/rOfchJRX7lg?t=40s

How is it possible so strong faith is destroyed when a colleague gives you some tract? It is funny to see this double standard - when somebody starts to be involved with the borg it is usually in the same way - tract or magazine handed over...

The same Alexey is shown in the previous video as the one undermining the authority of CO:

https://youtu.be/8rbP4JPTvPA?t=2m12s

The message is clear: those criticizing unkind COs will be apostates later

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If WWI Had Not Started In 1914

by JW_Rogue in

would jws ever have arisen the way they did?

alcyone

More people attracted by the future jworg promises than by the past "fulfillment".

See the period of rapid growth before 1975, then in 1980s, early 1990s when the generation was sooo old. Maybe after the WW2 they got some credit for their pacifism / persecution in the camps, but I feel people are coming to JWdom to have their panda and nice house after the A. The borg is exploiting problems like corruption, crime, wars, insecurity to covert new members.

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God’s Kingdom Rules! to Be Considered at Congregation Bible Study

by wifibandit in

april 26, 2016 to all congregations re: god’s kingdom rules!

to be considered at congregation bible study .

alcyone

I really like this WTS newspeak term "Bible study". They will study poor WT history book and will say "We study the Bible"

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Today's Study - Shun Disfellowshipped Family, Don't Marry Outsiders, Tell On Others!

by Divergent in

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urghhh... what a disgusting study!7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

the mother wanted to visit anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family.

alcyone

The situation described in this article would easily be surrounded by nonJW family members, neighbors, friends, coworkers, acquaintances, and onlookers. Although WT can issue the command that nobody ask any questions about the judicial meeting and that nobody talk to the dfd, that certainly doesn't apply to all those nonJWs. And when the mother in this WT story recounts what has transpired and shows what the daughter wrote in the letter to any nonJW, what are they going to think? "What a bitch of a daughter in a stupid church. Poor mother."

What is really disgusting is the fact they are well aware of how the onlookers see the shunning. They put all effort to hide it carefully from the public. That's why https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/ is not not giving an accurate picture and that's why they dilute this dogma when asked by a journalist etc.

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