hi folks,.
i have a difficult dilemma.
since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.
I recall how difficult it was when I started to wake up and I was pushed to do a cart service. I often looked desperately for some excuses to avoid it... I am so happy to be DA'd now.
That pressure during the first phases of leaving the WT / fading is enormous.
the original aim of ct russell in starting the watchtower magazine in 1879 was to announce to the world his pet idea that jesus had come to rule in the heavens five years earlier back in 1874. for the young entrepreneur this new magazine looked like a commercial runner and it was!.
most of us know how profoundly false the prophecy was but if you don't mind i'll give a brief overview for newbies:.
1874 was the failed adventist prediction year for the return of christ in the heavenly glory, which russell was now saying was the right year after all.
http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2014/03/1925-did-jehovahs-witnesses-really.html
It is funny how JW apologists distort the truth. Maybe you would like to check what the org really said on 1925:
the un has banned religion.
what are you're thoughts?.
also changes to it seem to be on the way.... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/trump-vows-israel-vote-161224040133216.html.
I recall in 1980s when Gorbachev was to meet with Reagan and our reaction to that news: "It is starting! It is here! Now they will declare the peace and security!".
So, A.B., join the JWs and 30 years later you will recall how eagerly you looked to Trump and UN to start attack on 'false religion'
it really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”
This is what the JWs claim. In reality they obey their human leaders. For example if you took Haemoglobin in 1980s you would be disfellowshipped. Now you are allowed to do it. What has changed? Bible is the same, Jesus is the same... the only thing different is the GB pronounced their fatwa and allowed you to take Hgb. Hence to take Hgb is no longer 'prohibited by the Bible'. You can think about organ transplant ban in 1970s in the same way.
JWs obey their religious human leaders. If the GB says tomorrow you can take plasma transfusion too, all witness apologists will stop to argue the ban on blood plasma is 'biblical'.
it really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
A Believer you have not been baptised yet, but you are using tactics of long time JW apologist. Instead of addressing the point you place here a massive amount of text. Is it so difficult to say simply Prov 8:1-30? Do you think nobody is able to find it in his Bible? Perhaps you should paste here complete Book of Proverbs or the whole Bible...
Instead of diverting attention to JW shaky interpretation of Prov. 8 you should focus more on answering all those difficult question you find in this thread. Then you can add your conclusion why none of predictions made by "God's sole communication channel" has been ever fulfilled.
Edit: I see in meantime you shortened your comment...
for those that still care to read the bible of course.
those that don't, please keep the snarky comments to yourselves :-).
i am assuming nwt is not very popular?.
Benjamin Kedar:
a) is not a linguist / Bible translator
b) he comments only the OT part of NWT
The OT part is not a major problem although it alters words sometimes - for example "70 years at Babylon" instead of "for".
it really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
7:5-8 Are definite numbers making up the definite 144000
This is not a JW teaching. The org says:
12,000 from one tribe = figurative
144,000 = literal
it really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
Also - symbolism of 'wolves in sheep clothes' - this implies somebody is trying to hide his true identity.
Do you feel the GB is transparent, showing financial statements of the WTS (and the related corp's), properly informing about problems (can you find info on the ARC 2015 on jw.org?), apologizing for the past mistakes (I do not mean admitting them only), properly showing sources quoted in the WT, etc.?
Are they not like wolves?
it really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
A Believer, let us imagine we live in 1725 AD... tell me how would you search for the true org (TM) if we live in that year.
who are looking after the aged and infirm jehovah`s witnesses ,?
its certainly not the organization known as the wtb&ts ./jehovahs witnesses religion .. and why is that ?
satans system of things with jehovahs blessing , has programs to look after those who have such needs , such as the dole for unemployed ,medical assistance for those who cant afford it ,and their are many charitable institutions that look after those that fall in the cracks.
what is described in this thread shows a new dimension of Biblical prophecy as interpreted by the WTS
see ip2, pg. 315:
But in 1919, Jehovah repurchased his anointed servants from captivity, and since then he has blessed them with unprecedented expansion and spiritual prosperity. His people have sucked “the milk of nations,” using resources from the nations for the advancement of true worship.
So they really suck the nations:
- use fractions from blood they never donate
- use charity facilities run by "the Christendom"
- ...
