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I've been studying with JW's for a few months..

by MichaelM in

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i've been studying with the jw's for a few months and i've attended a few meetings but things are feeling somewhat strange...i don't quite get the jist of things but i feel that i'm learning more of what the watchtower teachers and less of what the bible actually says.. i never open my bible.. i'm always reading the watchtower pamphlets.

i really like the people i've met in the congregation and the guy thats been doing the studies with me has been an awesome friend.. .

but i'm just having some issues.. i mean.. they translated their own bible to suit their own doctrines it seems.

marsal

When I came back last year that was one of the things I asked and my sister said they changed their thoughts on that and don't teach it anymore, the answer being that it is impossible to reach everyone before the end so Jehovah will judge their hearts at arma. Will scout around for any w/t that says it.
It is true as I have used this in front of other witnesses and at the doors, when the householder bought it up it was said "no we don't teach that, it is up to God to judge the heart condition" so it is definatetly a changed view.

emptywords,

This is a quote from a very recent WT (May 15, 2006 -- "Are You Prepared For Survival?" -- paragraph 8) :

"Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization."

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I need some help... researchers.

by RichieRich in

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so i met a buddy for coffee tonight, and this particular buddy happens to still be a witness.. we got to talking about what it was that made me leave, and i told him about the un ngo scandal, and also the randcam scandal.. he'd like to see the information on both, and i told him i could have it for him in no time, what with the resources i have (you guys are awesome).. could someone do me a huge favor, and post the link to .

1. the .pdf document that is the letter from the un about the wtbts being a member.. 2. the proof that the wtbts owns stock in randcam.

3. anybody remember the thing that shows that the wtbts was in the top 40 businesses in nyc.

marsal

pallemar,

Here are some WT quotes:

**WT -- Oct. 1, 1967 -- "Finding Freedom with Jehovah's Visible Organization"**

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason, the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind."

**WT -- Dec 1, 1987 pg. 27**

"Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do."

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My wife says she's never read where JW's are to submit to FDS and GB

by zack in

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i have to give her credit that at least she is willing to discuss the misgivings i have with the wts.

up to this point i have not.

openly stated my disbelief in the jw theology and thinks some of my attitude is just the libertarian streak in me.

marsal

zack,

Here are some WT quotes for your wife:

***WT -- Nov. 15, 1981 pg. 26***

"You attitude toward the wheatlike anointed 'brothers' of Christ and the treatment you accord them will be the determining factor as to whether you go into 'everlasting cutting off' or receive 'everlasting life'. "

***WT -- Sept. 1, 1989 pg. 19***

"For survival into the Millenium under the Greater Noah Jesus Christ, they (the great crowd) have to remain organized with the anointed remnant, "the chosen ones" on account of whom the days of the "great tribulation" will be cut short."

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Lurkers, JWs, and JW apologistsIn the name of Christ?

by AuldSoul in

examine 1 peter 4:14 and john 15:17-21 and consider: can you name any of jehovah's witnesses who has ever been persecuted or reproached on account of the name of jesus?

please think very carefully about what the answer means, in light of plainly stated scripture.. i would love to see a discussion about this that includes comments from jws and apologists.. respectfully,.

auldsoul.

marsal

AuldSoul,

That is a very good question to ask JWs. In addition to the scriptures you gave, here are some more scriptures which speak about being persecuted or reproached on account of the name of Jesus:

Matt. 5:11; Matt. 10:22; Matt.24:9

Mark 13:13; Luke 21:12; Luke 21:17; Philippians 1:29

Acts 5:39-42; Acts 9:16; Acts 15:24; Acts 21:12

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epistle to the Ephesians

by Ade in

i am searching for a few people ( actually as many as can be had ) to start commenting on a verse by verse basis books of the bible - basically a full online bible study starting, for no particular reason with ephesians, if you are interested please leave a message here or contact me via pm.

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ade .

marsal

Ade,

I am interested. Please PM me with the details.

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Describing the meetings

by slimboyfat in

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has anyone ever written a thick description of a witness meeting?.

i think i am going to give it a go.

slim.

marsal

Dry, sterile, and business-like. There was absolutely no sense of "worship".

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Witnesses for Jesus....Post search!

by Kristofer in

trying to find a post with several scriptural references for being witnesses of christ as opposed to the name jehovah.

any help?

?

marsal

(Acts 22:19,20 NWT) And I said, 'Lord, they themselves well know that I used to imprison and flog in one synagogue after another those believing upon you and when the blood of Stephen your witness was being spilled, I myself was also standing by and approving and guarding the outer garments of those doing away with him.'

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Post a scripture that JW's don't follow

by JH in

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love your enemies, like yourself

marsal

John 5:23

"So that all will honor the Son just as they honor the Father,"

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salvation & sins research

by Kristofer in

i am trying to do research on whether christ's death covered even future sins, not just original sin by adam.

anyone have helpful scriptures?

marsal

1 Peter 2:24 - "He himself bore our sins in his body so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."

1 Corintians 15:3 - "For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures."

Isaiah 53:5 - "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;"

Isaiah 53:6 - "...and the LORD (YHWH) has laid on him the iniquity of us all."

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Jerimiah Film on Jehovah's Witness History!

by scoobiedoo1 in

hi, i'm fairly new to this site but i downloaded a film about one hour long on the history of the jehovah's witnesses!

i found it to be very good but i doubt that i could get someone (jehovah's witness) to watch it since they are ordered not to watch anything that might enlighten them event though the film is all truth supported by there own watchtower publications!

if any one is looking to see this film do a search for jerimiah films in limewire or kazaa, etc.... i know theres a lot of crap on these download sites but there are also good stuff!

marsal

mkr32208,

I think scoobiedoo1 meant to type "Jeremiah Films".