Posts by 86theWT

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Funniest Thing to happen during a meeting?

by truthseeker1969 in

i am sure all of us have laughed at something that happened at the kingdom hall or assembly.. the first one i can think of is a brother giving a talk on voting and saying " why is it that men sit iin pubs and discuss how bad the economy is and the cost of everything and yet when the 'erection" (election) comes up they never do anything about it.. my brother in his best beavis n butthead voioce said " huh huh he said erection".

we sat for the next 45 mins trying hard not to laugh.. of course, i got the look from the elders and the talk about not laughing.. .

86theWT

At a WT study long ago with the Circuit Servant visiting no less, I had to go to the men's room. I'd been having a problem with a swollen uvula (dangly thing in your mouth) which caused me to choke and gag at times. Well this attack was really bad, and I ended up dry heaving into the throne for a good two or three minutes. I was not a shy heaver, but was in the solitude of the bathroom, so I really went to town. Probably sounded like someone waking up with a bad hangover and a good case of food poisoning.

Apparently the KH was not that well soundproofed, 'cause it seemed like everyone was looking back to see who was returning to the auditorium from the hallway. The WTO sounded kinda timid reading the WT question. As I sat in my chair, the CS sitting a couple chairs away quipped "Everyone's a critic". Guess he was making a joke, but it kinda fit, at several levels! Also, CS with a sense of humor, so there's that.

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New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

by Quendi in

i know this has been discussed before, but i want to reopen the topic.

i am currently reading ray franz's memoir crisis of conscience and ran across this footnote with respect to the new world translation of the holy scriptures:.

"the new world translation bears no translator's name and is presented as the anonymous work of the "new world translation committee.

86theWT

With no real primary scholarship on the NWT committee, I'm guessing that the gang made use of the same tools you mentioned, concordances, lexicons, etc. Then they had to have dozens of translations to refer to. With said tools in hand (no pun intended), I'm guessing Franz & company proceded to cherry-pick the verse translations most favorable to the WT worldview. Hell, anyone with the time and desire could probably put together their own translation that way. You certainly wouldn't need any real knowledge of Ancient Near East languages, society, etc.

On the other hand, a real, credible translation will involve maybe dozens of collaboraters, all of whom would have doctorate degrees in the appropriate fields. Plus a good set of writing skills, to make the translation enjoyable to read, or at least bearable is a big plus. I don't consider the NWT to be very readable when compared to the other English bible translations. I especially enjoy the New Living Translation update for reading, and the Holman Christian Standard Bible for studying and reading. The NET Bible has an amazing set of translator notes to let you see how they came to their decisions. If you want YHWH in your Old Testament, the aforementioned HCSB is good. It uses Yahweh when the biblical text emphasizes Yahweh as a name: "His name is Yahweh" (Psalm 68:4). However, don't expect to find it in the NT, as in the Jew World Translation.

For your Bible studies, I strongly suggest getting some Bible software; you simply won't believe how helpful it is. If you haven't tried this already, I suggest trying out a free (but very professional) software title called theWord from www.theword.net. I use it. Once I realized how great it was from using theWord, I got WORDsearch9 (at www.wordsearchbible.com). It has lots of the resources you are looking to collect, and if you are careful this can be had very reasonably. Finally, if money is not a big object, try Logos Bible Software (www.logos.com). It's the best I've tried, but a bit pricey, as I mentioned.

Another good tool in Bible study is the "Study Bible". These come in all kinds of versions and formats. The most comprehensive I've found is the ESV Study Bible; get it at a book store that carries bibles, or online at Amazon, or anywhere, really. For the best price on the ESV SB, I got mine at www.wtsbooks.com. Good luck in your learning journey.

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Trinity booklet PDF

by 86theWT in

86theWT

Black Sheep, you're certainly welcome, and thanks for the advice. From my experience talking to this person, what you said rings true.

"If you ask an awkward question they will try to change the subject or divert you away from discussing the scripture you quoted. There are numerous ways of doing this. Always ask yourself if they really addressed the question you asked." ---So true! Getting her to really hear what I'm asking or suggesting is like a wrestling match.

She has been submersed in this "belief" system for so long it seems to be a hopeless task getting her to think around the WT suppositions. No matter what the subject, she will try to steer things to "1914" or "Only we preach the Kingdom message" or "Only we don't kill each other", etc. If I bring up biblical issues, it is only to attack the misconception that they "follow the Bible". I'm not interested in preaching her into another religion/cult

I'm just hoping to leave her with some brilliant comment that could work on her subconscience like a burr under the saddle, a fantasy many of us here probably have . Any kind of obvious attack on her "beliefs" puts her in defensive mode.

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Trinity booklet PDF

by 86theWT in

86theWT

Ok everyone, I found it: ftp://ftp.ootbc.com/Public/Religion/Should%20You%20Believe%20in%20the%20Trinity.pdf

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Trinity booklet PDF

by 86theWT in

86theWT

Wontleave, you are correct, it is on the WT site. It is, however, not downloadable and must be loaded from chapter to chapter. You could print it out, but a .pdf would be more helpful as I will be using Logos and/or Wordsearch software to organize everything.

NeonMadman, I will indeed let you know if I am successful!

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Trinity booklet PDF

by 86theWT in

86theWT

Thanks Pirata, didn't know that. Maybe my Firefox will work.

Anyway, I have been looking online for a pdf of that notorious booklet from the early '90's I believe ("Should You Believe in the Trinity?"). Someone has done a good job of obliterating it. I would like to refer to it in some upcoming phone calls to a 'dub relative, and would appreciate if someone could hook me up.

Thanks in advance.

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Trinity booklet PDF

by 86theWT in