I would expect to receive one from each side of our family, my parents and my Mrs parents. They will be ignored as always. We will also probably get one stuck on our door as well. I find them amusing to read. Each year they are worded a bit differently either mopey or sappy usually. Oh the drama
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Memorial Invitation official first day today
by OneDayillBeFree inwell it's that time of year again and the invitations to another pointless memorial aka reject jesus party is now in full swing.
even though it's only the first day i'm already more than sick of it!
this is the first year i am fully mentally awake for the memorial season, and honestly i'm so sick of it all!
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Special Meeting for Certain Congregations Only ??
by Poztate inanybody have any information on what that's all about (b.c) ?
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Blind_Of_Lies
I remember “special” meetings happened fairly regularly back in the early 90’s. They would have a special movie or footage of a project being played. I remember a few photo slide shows being showed and narrated by some chief of the dirty shorts tribe.
I liken all “special” meetings to fine-tuned propaganda campaigns. A big tent revival in the windowless church, and by invite only so as to re enforce the social structure and hierarchy of the congregations.
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Sex, the Disabled and the Terminally Single
by bigmouth input aside your religious or moral standards if you can for a moment and give me your viewpoint on this......... generally, the 'beautiful people' pair off with other 'beautiful people' in a sexual union for however long, and the average lookers meet other average lookers and so on down the line until you come to.......................those who don't appeal to the opposite sex due to appearance, injury, illness or mental capacity.. can, or should, these people be given access to those in the sex trade for 'relief' without cause for fear or stigmatising ?
or is it a case of "that's too bad" (meaning you're committing fornication and that cannot be sanctioned in any way)?.
have you ever needed to counsel a person (or their parents) on this ?
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Blind_Of_Lies
I saw a documentary on this very subject a while back… I can’t remember the network or name of it but basically they said that for those on the British equivalent of Social Security the government will pay for one of these visits every few months. The documentary followed a 20 something year old guy in a wheelchair who was traveling for his annual visit to the whore house.
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Carrying a gun out in service
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Blind_Of_Lies
I would have never produced the gun unless I felt my LIFE not my FEELINGS were threatened. At the time I decide to produce and point my gun at someone, I have already made the commitment to kill them. I take it that seriously. I won’t point my gun at you unless I feel that you are willing and able to kill me but once I point my gun at you I will kill you.
Also, I did call the police. The guy did the same thing to them came out of his house with a hatchet and they tazed him and he was arrested. Had he done that 20 years ago they would have shot him dead. Luckily they didn’t need to.
Also, In Oregon just a couple years ago a disgruntled ex Jw stormed the building during meeting and brandished a gun then hunted down a man and shot him dead rite there in front of the entire congregation. People are crazy and there are more and more people who have very good reasons (child abuse, ex elders, “apostates”, and generally bad people) who have a vendetta against JW’s in general and are waiting for an excuse for violence.
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How About A Preparing For A Judicial Committee Booklet?
by DT inimagine if someone prepared a small booklet about preparing for a judicial committee that could be shared as either an actual booklet or a pdf.. i think it would be best if such a booklet were written in a neutral, nonjudgemental way, but have quotes from the elder's book that discuss the various rules that relate to judicial committees.
a complete list of disfellowshipping offenses could also be useful.
it could end with a few strategies and tips for dealing with a judicial committee.. it's only fair that jw's have access to the actual rules of judicial committees.
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Blind_Of_Lies
I think it’s a great idea but I doubt it would get much use. The booklet would be labeled apostate any anyone caught using it or sharing it would have another charge to answer too with the judicial morons. Non elders and women are not supposed to be in the same room with that Sheppard The Flock book when its opened. If a booklet with direct quotes from that book came out they would say just about anything to prevent people from seeing it.
It’s a great idea, if it helps just 1 person then it is a success. It would appeal to people who didn’t care the outcome of the judicial committee in the first place. I wish I had a handbook called “leaving with dignity” or something that walked me through the phases of leaving and what recourse the elders have… Had I known 20 years ago that if you just stop going to meetings and cut all ties that make you seem like a Witness…there is nothing they can or will do.
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Carrying a gun out in service
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Blind_Of_Lies
Folks,
Let me give you some background. First of all I didn’t start carrying a gun because I was “scared” or “paranoid” or thought I was John Wayne. I started carrying a gun after I had been quite literally chased out of someone’s yard and off of their rural property and several miles down the road via car by a man with a large hatchet and a crazy look in his eye. All of this happened while I was in a car group made up of women and children and myself working a not so remote portion of our very remote territory. I had driven up his roughly mile long driveway, where there were no KEEP OUT or NO TRESSPASSING signs posted and I approached his door as if it were any other, I even had a 9 year old male child with me. This guy answered his door and instantly told me to get the F off of his property, I apologized for bothering hi and we started back to the car. He this picked up a large hatchet and said he could kill us all for trespassing and no one would care… we started moving faster. We got in the car and started leaving when I noticed he was getting into his truck with the hatchet in hand. He then followed us all the way to the main public road and then chased us back to the highway honking and screaming at us while waving his hatchet around in the cab.
I can tell you that there is no worse feeling in the world than thinking someone has the fury and the tools to kill you and having him tell you he has the motivation as well… and not being able to do a damn thing about it. I couldn’t call the police because there was no cell service and if I did manage to get a message out it would have at least 20 minutes for a deputy to arrive … IF he just happened to be in the city limits of the nearest little town. If that guy had wanted to nudge off of the road on his driveway and hatchet us all to death then make candy dishes out of our skulls, there was NOTHING I could have done to stop him. I certainly didn’t have large angles show up and keep him at bay.
After I got home that night I cleaned my gun and bought an ankle holster. I have with very few exceptions never left the house without it ever since. I didn’t go out in service again for several months, I didn’t make a big deal about it. I knew I couldn’t carry a gun on my ankle in service for fear of someone seeing it while I was getting in and out of cars…
Finally I figured out one of my guns fit perfectly in that little pocket. I practiced getting it out and shooting quickly just in case and I can tell you that I can go from holding it at my side to having it out and shooting inside of about 5 seconds. I can be on the move and saving my own life before most of you could dial 911 and have an operator answer the phone. After that I was back to the preaching work lol
A few years before that happened a friend and I were out in service on a rural Indian reservation we went into an older neighborhood that was used as public housing, it was basically about 25 homes randomly dropped out in the middle of nowhere it’s like the suburb of a town not big enough to have suburbs. It was also ground zero for the reservations meth problem. There were tweakers and homeless and drunks who inhabited these houses, most of them single men who ALSO had criminal backgrounds they all seemed to be drawn to this place…
Anyway, no territory is too dangerous… so off we went. We would park our car then work two doors then move it so that it was always close for a quick escape. We came up to a door and got up on the porch before we saw the pit bull/lab/German Sheppard/hound of hell mix dog asleep on the far side of it. He barked and instantly there were 2-3 of his friends showing up from around the neighborhood. We backed back to the car swinging our book bags at them when we tried getting in the car one came up and nailed my friend’s leg, he ended up with 6 stitches and torn pants. Being young single guys living on our own and without real jobs he had no insurance so he got stuck with medical bills and ruined pants. Would I have hesitated to shoot those 4 dogs instead of letting my friend get nailed like that? Yes I would.
So yea, I carry a gun and I carried a gun out in service.
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How Did You View The Elders?
by minimus ini know some who truly believed they were "gifts in men".
they needed their approval and wanted to be well spoken of by them.. i know some who can't stand elders and regard them as pests, always looking for some dirt on somebody.. i know some who liked maybe one or two but regarded the majority as unqualified.. how did you view the elders??
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Blind_Of_Lies
As a child I feared them. They were always the people who shut things down or rained on a parade but they were always treated with respect and obviously they were an authority on whatever situation came up. Then as an early teenager I started to catch on that they were nothing more than undereducated cult members who had imaginary power granted to them by cult members.
By the time I left I actually hated elders in general. Some of them were good men at heart but the ones that were did not stand up to the ones that were not. What it came rite down too was the overbearing elders in the group overpowered everyone and ruled their congregation with an iron fist. The really funny thing is that they only have as much power as you give them… people would complain but not do anything about it… this is the only way this group has survived for so long.
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Carrying a gun out in service
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Blind_Of_Lies
I think I was probably one of the only people who did this and I know if I had been caught I would have been DF’d because I wouldn’t have given an inch of ground on the subject… But I carried a handgun in my book back at all times. It was a small .45 that had its own little pocket that remained zipped closed. I was the only person who ever used my bag and it was with me at all times and we had no kids at that time. I had several reasons to do this, and I felt they were all good. Working rural territory, working hostile territory, working an Indian reservation where the Indians were not the nice kind, mean and frankly vicious dogs, lunatics, witness crazies… Frankly I carry a gun just about everywhere anyway so it was no great leap to carry one when I was going onto other people’s property to tell them they were going to die… it wasn’t a far leap lol.
Did anyone else do this?
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rules about kids going door to door alone?
by popcorn_eater inmy stepdaughter, who just turned 12, was telling me about her most recent door to door experience and how excited she was to get her first return visit.
i was pretending to be happy for her and not horrified, and listening to the story.
but then she said that the other person with her at the door was her 13 year old friend, also a girl.. i know the org doesn't seem to care much about children and their welfare, but is this normal?
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Kool Jo-
“In one of the congregations that I was with for a little while, it wasn't uncommon for two young sisters to be working together...however, the brothers would always glimpse at the doors to ensure that they were ok.”
Did these clowns have some sort of special sixth scenes to know when the person behind the door was a normal individual vs. a lunatic? John Wayne Gacy lived in a nice house and was a respected member of the community, he even dressed up as a clown to get closer to people... He also killed, raped and buried around 30 people in the crawl space under his normal looking house…
My point is, no one should ever go to anyone’s door alone. Ever. I get nervous responding to craigslist adds from time to time when I have to meet people at their homes, when I do this I always carry a gun just because people are insane.
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rules about kids going door to door alone?
by popcorn_eater inmy stepdaughter, who just turned 12, was telling me about her most recent door to door experience and how excited she was to get her first return visit.
i was pretending to be happy for her and not horrified, and listening to the story.
but then she said that the other person with her at the door was her 13 year old friend, also a girl.. i know the org doesn't seem to care much about children and their welfare, but is this normal?
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Blind_Of_Lies
There is no age restriction at all, they typically recommend that people regardless of the age go in pairs. I have never heard of them saying that one of those two people must be a certain age, they rely heavily on people’s judgment. Obviously you cannot put your daughter’s life in the trusting hands of cult members. If I were you I would call or write the service overseer in the group and inform them that if your minor child is sent out door to door without an adult escort (define adult as over 18 or over 21 whatever you want) you will press them personally with reckless endangerment charges. It seems extreme and frankly you probably could never get away with that legally if push came to shove but I guarantee your daughter will never get sent out without an adult body guard again.