http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php
That page and that website in general will give you stuff and you will be able to quote the Watchtower publications they came from.
Blind_Of_Lies
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DISCUSSION WITH A JW; YOUR INPUT PLEASE...
by Mary ini'm 'talking' with a jw on another site who of course, does not believe that they are 'false prophets' and says that:.
"...prophetic inspiration and being filled with the spirit ( to use a common expression) do not mean the same thing.".
"...again the wts is using the term "prophet" in the basic sense of a spokesman.
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And down comes the house of cards
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Blind_Of_Lies
I guess the new/revamped format didnt help sales.
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She's back and I could really use some advice!
by OneDayillBeFree ini dont know where to begin.
i do know it might get lengthy so i'm sorry for that.
and also many thanks to all who read the whole thing.
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Thanks Lozhasleft-
That is the first time I have ever put all those events down on paper and it really is a good story. We EXCLUDED the church on everything we were doing. We went to just enough meetings that people didnt bug us and we came and went just before and just after the songs. We didnt ask the elders for any advise, input, permission or anything we just did it while belonging to popular families and living just on the fringe. We drove away from our wedding with about $2,000 in cash gifts and litterally a truckload of other gifts. I almost felt bad about playing them all out like that... almost.
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She's back and I could really use some advice!
by OneDayillBeFree ini dont know where to begin.
i do know it might get lengthy so i'm sorry for that.
and also many thanks to all who read the whole thing.
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Blind_Of_Lies
I actually met my wife under very similar circumstances. I told her within the first few weeks of us talking to each other regularly that I felt the JW’s were a cult and that I was going along with it to “keep the peace” with my family but I did not plan on living out my life a JW. In the same conversation I told her that I did have feelings with her and that I could see us having a future together BUT I was an open and honest person and I wanted her to know that before anyone said the “R” word. She replied asking me what my doubts were and I laid it allllll out. From 1900-2005 one thing after another. I tried not to get too detailed for fear of scaring her away but with every point I brought up she just nodded and said “yep I read that too.” We talked then looked at JWFacts.com and compared that stuff to the WT Library and it was obvious what decision we needed to make.
So as it turns out she was pioneering not because she wanted too but because that was the only way her parents would let her live with them while she went through college. That is a true story. She couldn’t find a job that had the hours/pay that was enough to pay rent where she lived and she couldn’t find a roommate that she could tolerate living with so she did it for her parents.
We made mad passionate love that night for the first time together.
That conversation happened in June and we were married the following January. We continued to play the game with the witnesses not so much because we cared about being DF’d but rather we wanted wedding gifts. I wanted to DA before our wedding but she insisted that we get SOMETHING other than heartache and shunning out of our years of loyal service so we moved from our home town not long after we were married and never checked into the congregation in our new town. We refused to do a Witness wedding however, as we were having sex a couple times a day lol. We ended up getting a venue instead of even opening the can of worms that is having a wedding ceremony in a KH. We had a relative do the talk, walked down the aisle to a kingdom melody and after that, the DJ took over. We both have a letter of disassociation signed and dated along with my “blood card” in the envelope with my will and my non WT DPA/Will. We simply went off the grid.
Your case is significantly less complicated as she is not baptized and has major doubts already and you don’t seem to care about anything witless related. I would simply lay it on the line with her. Tell her you want to be with her and you would like to see if it really turns into love (trust me buddy, it may feel like love now but it’s not love yet). Date for a few months, then move in with each other… and then if you guys don’t want to kill yourselves after living together for a few months… you can take it wherever you want.
The point is, if you allow the elders to insert “Jehovah” into your relationship you may as well let the elders take a turn with her in bed too. This is YOUR life. This is YOUR relationship. This is YOUR future. You both need to make a level headed and clear minded decision.
When the time comes, let us know where you are registered. I will gladly send you a wedding gift!
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And down comes the house of cards
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Actually now that I am thinking about something that happened 10+ years ago I remember that they wouldn't talk to the Spanish guys because they were afraid of being called racist. When the whole arrangement of a small group of them meeting at our hall instead of having to drive an hour to the closest Spanish congregation a couple elders pitched a fit. Their argument was that if we were going to be giving them keys to the hall the should contribute in some way for expenses and take a turn on the cleaning/outdoor maintenance once a moth. For some reason and once again the reason alludes me, maybe it was simply the small size of the group...they were exempt for doing so. One of the elders started spreading his opinion public and things got ugly, he was removed and eventually switched halls over it.
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And down comes the house of cards
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Yea, I suggested a nanny cam be installed but that too was shot down. They really went out of their way to make "The Spanish" feel at home. I remember one year our memorial started at almost 10PM becuase the spanish couldnt muster enough male bodies to faclitate the memorial without shipping in brothers from local halls. So instead of those guys having to drive the hour+ back home late at night they moved ours to like 945 and let the spanish go first. That is the year I saw them fill the place up. They also refused to leave, we had scheduled ours so the spanish would have a half hour to leave before our group started showing up, but english people started showing up the parking lot was stiff full. This of course happened after an announcement was made to clear out directly after the final prayer. It was a MESS.
After all of that, when it came time for the major spring cleaning the week before the memorial... only one Spanish lady showed up with her 3 kids wanting to help. That was very nice of her. Come to find out most of us knew her because she worked in a local grocery store we all frequented. Her kids went to school with several of the english kids... and they didnt know the spanish kids were wittnesses because they celebrated every holiday and birthday that came along. Anyway she told us that the clean up date had been announced at their meetings all week and there were several families who could have been there... she and her kids were the only ones.
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And down comes the house of cards
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I love the notion of handing over a paid for Kingdom Hall to "the Spanish" so that "the English" could go build a new one. "The Spanish" were a blight on our congregation as well. Our hall had been built in the late 60's and it sat on about 2 acres of land that was complete with rolling hills of grass, trees, shrubs and a gravel parking lot that seemed to be a magnet for every type of grass and weed that was native or implanted to the area.
As a congregation we took terms "cleaning the hall" and every week it was a new book study's turn to do the cleaning and yard work. We ended up doing it at least once a month, cleaning the hall and just doing the basic upkeep of the landscaping could easily take a small book study all day. We usually did it on Sundays and would end up going to meeting Sunday morning then clean and do the yard work until well... dark basically. If we could muster 2-3 lawn mowers and another 2-3 bodies to rake and trim and pull weeds and repair the above ground sprinklers that inevitably were busted by the neighborhood kids at least once a month then it would take a few hours at best.
Anyway, for about 10 years we had a Spanish group meeting in our hall. I have no idea how many publishers there were but they claimed to be a small group but I was on hand for one of their memorials and they filled every seat of our 150 seat auditorium and both of the back skools that could hold 25-30 so lets say on memorial they had 200 butts in the seats i would generously say they doubled their normal attendance for taht so lets say there was about 100 publishers that made up "the spanish group"
Anyway, They never once took a rotation on our cleaning/landscaping duties. They were not asked to contribute to our new building and they did not show up for a remodel that was funded and preformed by the English group on the hall that WE met at. That always irked me. They also helped themselves to our donation boxes in between our meetings yet because they technically were not a congregation with expenses (they used our KH for free) they were not expected to send money back east, at least that's the story i got. Anyway, the few months after they started meeting on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday evenings. The locks on the contribution boxes were picked and we would find them inside the empty contribution boxes when we went to collect weekly. It took us a while to catch onto what they were doing, we never assumed anyone was stealing the money. We thought times were tough and donations were down, we would get the days contributions that were put in the box on Sunday after a month and a couple "tests" we figured out what was happening. Instead of calling the Spanish thieves we just upgraded from small luggage lock type locks to actual heavier duty padlocks. Those too were picked or busted. I Cannot remember exactly what they did to resolve the issue but I think in our remodel they designed the donations box to be built into the wall and then accessed from the room behind the wall. I think the theory was to make that access room locked behind a solid core door with an industrial or supposedly unpickable lock. I found it ridiculous that instead of calling them out for stealing from GOD they instead went to great length and expense to stop it.
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Great anti WT movie
by Blind_Of_Lies ini remember being a kid and people buzzing about the "apostate movie" with an ex member of the governing body in it.... everyone should watch this.
email it to your jw friends and family... they must watch it.. http://youtu.be/0dnpocd529g.
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ziddina- Do you have links to the new ones you mentioned?
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And down comes the house of cards
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Here ya go
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What does your profile name say about you?
by usualusername ini use usualusername as i am not creative enough to think of anything sexier.... .
what significance is there behind your profile name?.
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Mine came from a drunken/high evening after I had found out all the lies the watchtower group had oppressed me with over the years. I had just started researching them and my head was spinning. I was angry.
Now I wish it was something more clever lol
