When we think of the Governing Body in Brooklyn do others like myself automtically think of them as the faithful and discreet slave? Haven't we been taught that they run the organisation known as the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society? Now Its looks like I personally may have been wrong.
Is it run by a group of legal rofessionals. Here is a couple of links which have brought a question to mind who really is the faithful slaveand does Jehovah use them as his sole channel here on earth?
[url] http://geocities.com/Elders_Book/flockaddon.htm[/url]
[url] http://stormloader.com/shaun/wt_lawyers.htm[/url]
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7Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?
by Maxee inwhen we think of the governing body in brooklyn do others like myself automtically think of them as the faithful and discreet slave?
haven't we been taught that they run the organisation known as the watchtower and bible tract society?
now its looks like i personally may have been wrong.. is it run by a group of legal rofessionals.
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What is the WT afraid of???????????????????
by Zep inok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
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I found a page with the KM with information about the GB's view on the internet
[url] http://www.stormloader.com/shaun/internet.htm[/url]
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What is the WT afraid of???????????????????
by Zep inok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
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So we don't wonder if its run by a legal department maybe
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What is the WT afraid of???????????????????
by Zep inok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
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Maxee
The truth
Becoming aware of the reality of the possibility that we may be part of a religious organisation who is no closer to knowing God than all the others, is shattering emotionally. Most of all spiritually.
The effects upon my discovering a little more about the faithful and discreet slave have lend me to a crossroads. It has instilled in me "" Who am I to trust? -
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Paperback?
by Maxee inhas anyone seen the paperback editions of previous and recent bookstudy pubs.
i haven't seen them here in aus?.
also i recieved a email today from my brother, who too is a enquiring jw.
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Has anyone seen the paperback editions of previous and recent bookstudy pubs. I haven't seen them here in Aus?
Also I recieved a email today from my brother, who too is a enquiring JW. He wrote that in a footnote in a book written by Raymond Franz 'Christian Freedom' that due to the abundance of old publications in order to get rid of the excess stock these publications were nominated by the faithful and discreet slave and encouraged via KM's to be used as the book study spiritual food. Has anyone read Christian Freedom? Has anyone else heard this?
Dampens that scripture in Matt when we look at what 'the faithful and discreet slave' prides itself upon fulfilling...providing spiritual food at the appropriate times. -
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The faithful slave cares about our taxes
by Maxee inthis link has a scan of a printed by the society brochure planned giving to benefit the kingdom.
the faithful and discreet slave has a fund to enable us to contribute stocks and saving to the kingdom preaching work whilst both we and them enjoytaxation benefits.or if we want to bequest our properties etc to the preaching work via this fund.
we can get it out before hand if we want too.
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Maxee
Could it be that the powers that be in Brooklyn cruise the net to check up on what their followers are saying. I have heard that their a heaps of computer wizards in there. In fact they may even have brothers especially assigned.
Sorry about by lateness in responding The link for the brochere on Planned giveing is
http://www.truthexodus.homestead.com
hope this one works if not they have adirectorry of home pages at homestead.com.truthexodus.lraup
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Blood donating?
by Maxee inregarding the new light on blood and the different components we need to be aware of i think it will be very difficult for individuals to figure out what they can choose to take and what not.. regardless of the status the aithful and discreet slave has assigned each of these components one thing should still be kept in mind.
even the smallest amount of blood fraction requires a lot of blood most of this though blood donations.. for eg:.
albumin is often used to treat burns.
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Maxee
I remember seeing a post on H20 with a list of all their subsideries now I can back this up it may take a day or too but I will
[url] http://www.jesus-witnesses.com/bigbiz.htm[/url]
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Frenchy has given a direct quote from the Watchtower now heres is an extract from an essay called "Why so many false alarms""
[url] http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/end1.htm#forced[/url]In November 1954, the Douglas Walsh trial was held in the Scottish Court of Sessions, the Watchtower Society tried to establish before the British court that certain of its members were ordained ministers. High ranking leaders of the Society testified, including vice-president Fred Franz and legal counsel for the Society, Haydon C. Covington.
[bold][italics]eg from court transcripts Haydon Covington being questioned[/italics][/bold]
Q. Back to the point now. A false prophesy was promulgated?
A. I agree that.
Q. It had to be accepted by Jehovah’s Witnesses?
A. That is correct.
Q. If a member of Jehovah’s Witnesses took the view himself that that prophesy was wrong and said so he would be disfellowshipped?
A. Yes, if he said so and kept persisting in creating trouble, because if the whole organisation believes one thing, even though it be erronious and somebody else starts on his own trying to put his ideas across then there is disunity and trouble, there cannot be harmony, there cannot be marching. When a change comes it should come from the proper source, the head of the organisation, the governing body, not from the bottom upwards, because everybody would have ideas, and the organisation would disintegrate and go in a thousand different directions. Our purpose is to have unity.
Q. Unity at all costs?
A. Unity at all costs, because we believe and are sure that Jehovah God is using our organisation, the governing body of our organisation to direct it, even though mistakes are made from time to time.
Q. And unity based upon an enforced acceptance of false prophecy?
A. That is conceded to be true
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by Frenchy inthe views expressed here are my own and i state them as such.
perhaps some will agree with me, for a certainty others will not.
i invite comment and discussion regardless of your viewpoint.
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Maxee
September 1, 1989 Watchtower page 19,
“Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.”
Can you imagine Jesus saying that?
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Blood donating?
by Maxee inregarding the new light on blood and the different components we need to be aware of i think it will be very difficult for individuals to figure out what they can choose to take and what not.. regardless of the status the aithful and discreet slave has assigned each of these components one thing should still be kept in mind.
even the smallest amount of blood fraction requires a lot of blood most of this though blood donations.. for eg:.
albumin is often used to treat burns.
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Maxee
I could be wrong about us being able to give to charities. The Society in its role asWatch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania and
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
received $5000.00 from this group called the charitable gift fund. I think this is the fund who is looking after the Planned Giving for the Kingdom Preaching Work fund the society recomends. I posted on it in main
Here is link hope it works.
[url] http://www300.charitablegift.org:80/annual/index.shtml[/url]
if page turns up click annual reports then grant recipients, then click w,Has anyone seen any thing in the publications considering this money is also contributing to our ministry work globally?