Yes, Russell was a poet.
Maria Russell, that is. And quite a good one at that.
Maximus
Yes, Russell was a poet.
Maria Russell, that is. And quite a good one at that.
Maximus
No, this guy was dyed in the wool, raw-meat JW who regularly went further in narrow excessive stuff.
My question is, What was he DFd for? Anyone know?
Scuttlebut was that he regularly attended meetings, in loyalty, but not reinstated. The locals are very hush-hush.
I'm still amazed at the Pennsylvania figures, the virtual spawning grounds of JWs.
Kent is on to something.
M
several have made outright statements and others have suggested that the society's negative position on higher education has changed.
'the society does not discourage higher education where i live.
' worse, 'apostates have made it all up--the society has never discouraged education.
LDH, right on! Unfortunately tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of times. I personally have met hundreds of persons who are now older and whose biggest regret in life is that an opportunity passed them by.
Sure, you can cite a sentence from the Watchtower that says "there are no hard and fast rules," but wake up and smell the coffee. The demonstration for July 2 says it all, and you've put your finger on it.
It's about control. And hypocrisy. No hard and fast rules? Of course. What will be take-home message from this SM part be? Yes, some will struggle to moderate its tone, but ...
::Sounds a lot like the Communist party, if you ask me.
Funny, isn't it? Even to the use of the term "readjust one's thinking."
Maximus
had enough asked :.
if you haven't already related to us the experiences at bethel that you told to your mom-in-law, (or even if you already have told us) could you tell us about what you told her.....and...what is "g-jobbing" (sorry for my naivity) .
i didn't want to take away from sl post about his mother but i thought a little insight into the world of the bethelites would be interesting this am.
Stop it, stop it! I'm laughing so hard I'm crying!
G-jobbing has a long and distinguished history, over many decades. The principal linotype operator used to moonlight at the NY Times at night and made a tidy fortune over many years. Don't get me started. Carpentry and bindery were the worst.
JT has given you a rare look at how life really is at Bethel. He is telling it EXACTLY like it is.
Now JT, quit ragging on my gal Sophie. She was a sweetheart whose motherly instincts knew no bounds.
RW is only touching the tip of the iceburg. CW still has the buying group going, RW. Was a hallowed custom for certain Service overseers to sun themselves on the rooftop and miss lunch--and sharing the Wall Street Journal and financial reports from the Times.
If you go to Brooklyn Bethel today as a businessman/elder/heavy, I guarantee you the first question long-time members will ask you about is the stock market. They just assume that everyone outside has some inside info or hot tip. Mutual buying groups. Bloomberg and all that.
This can really be disillusioning to new boys. That's why the article on Bethel service says to ask yourself the question, am I easily offended? Do others find me easy to get along with?
Thanks for the memories ...
Maximus
There's more here than meets the eye.
Schreyer is a long-time Witness from Kamloops BC who was once in circuit work and a pillar in Pennsylvania, known for extreme rigidity and loyalty to the org. He is disfellowshipped, all very hush-hush, for some "rebel" tendencies but "not for doctrinal reasons." Makes you go hmmmmmm.
Anyone know what really happened? BTW, Kent calls it like it is.
Many of you know this area was once a rich lode of JWs, lots of old-timers. Only a 1,000 now? Pennsylvania Deutsch (what some called Dutch) Knorr is turning over in his grave.
Maximus
several have made outright statements and others have suggested that the society's negative position on higher education has changed.
'the society does not discourage higher education where i live.
' worse, 'apostates have made it all up--the society has never discouraged education.
JWD, here in the U.S. individuals have been sent to law school while members of the Bethel family. Recently met one man who had been in Purchasing, went to school and now runs a division in Legal that handles wills and estate planning and donations, the exact name of the department escapes me now. Used to be handled by Treasurer's office.
I'll leave any further comment on this one to others. Has caused some very, very hard feelings among many. But they can console themselves or be "adjusted" when they read the Watchtower counsel not to feel envy/jealousy or otherwise get out of shape when certain privileges are extended to younger or newer ones. You know the material ...
Maximus
several have made outright statements and others have suggested that the society's negative position on higher education has changed.
'the society does not discourage higher education where i live.
' worse, 'apostates have made it all up--the society has never discouraged education.
Teejay, I've dropped you a note.
M
several have made outright statements and others have suggested that the society's negative position on higher education has changed.
'the society does not discourage higher education where i live.
' worse, 'apostates have made it all up--the society has never discouraged education.
How ironic. Your wife wanted to become a physician, a profession considered among the most noble. Get this:
In this same June km, the 'Bethel applicants needed' insert says:
"Additionally, some brothers and sisters who may be a little older than 35 and who have specialized skills and training that could be used at Bethel are encouraged to apply. For example, these include dentists, doctors, .... However, we do not encourage individuals to obtain specialized education or training with the thought that this will improve their chances of being called into Bethel Those who have already received specialized training, PERHAPS BEFORE COMING INTO THE TRUTH, may wish to write out a detailed resume and attach it to the Bethel application."--P. 4.
Think about it.
Welcome to Orwell world.
Maximus
Teejay, I'll get back to you. Father's Day. As JT says,
smile
i had a hard time finding all 16 bible names in the following brain teaser...take a look!.
>there are names of sixteen books of the bible mentioned in the paragraph.
see how many you can find.
Thirdson, I've found that nobody likes a smart-ass.
'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'
Glad you are something, anyway!
Maximus
several have made outright statements and others have suggested that the society's negative position on higher education has changed.
'the society does not discourage higher education where i live.
' worse, 'apostates have made it all up--the society has never discouraged education.
::I too agree that the reason why the Society has kind of let up on this is because there is a whole generation of uneducated who scrub toilets for a living barely scraping by themselves and they don't have much to donate if any
The Society has kind of let up on this????
I'm not sure I understand you, perhaps because I was not clear. The pragmatists UNDERSTAND but they don't or won't or can't do anything about it. If they go against this firm policy, they themselves become suspect. As teegay notes, this is not very satisfying, and the source of grumbling and internal conflict.
The Society has not let up. The kid winds up in agreement, saying he's going to "pursue a course in life that will serve him or her well in achieving theocratic goals to advance Kingdom interests," not his own.
Think about it. That Service Meeting is pure code language. Control.
MoJoJoJo, go for that education. You deserve it.
M