Very very first was back in mid 80's people would stand outside convention site with signs that had a 800 phone number to call..it was "answers for JW's" a weekly recorded message. I called every week for a long time. Was out for about 10 years. But I allowed myself to get reindoctrinated and went back! Stupid move. What broke my mind control and got me here and reading coc and isocf and other books was a bout with tremendous grief over family death. Now I'm free for life.
Lied2NoMore
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What Was Your First Experience In Exposing Yourself To "Apostasy"?
by minimus inas a young teenager, i would look at "apostate" books at the city library.
i was always intrigued as to what was sooo bad and other than a few writings of some that seemed like they hated the witnesses, i would clandestinely look at literature, especially in "christian" bookstores.. it took years for me to finally disconnect.
i will say that ray franz' books enlightened me the most!.
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So Why Do You Think They Needed This New Revision?
by minimus inare they simply trying to make their bible more readable, or do you think there is a more sinister motive?.
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I also agree they have planned already for the henchmen to get used to new wording ....."brazen conduct" and use this as a means to DF anyone who like me tells elders to F off if they want to talk to me in the future or generally dismiss any efforts to council or correct someone...I have just been blowing them off since I woke up over two years ago
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So Why Do You Think They Needed This New Revision?
by minimus inare they simply trying to make their bible more readable, or do you think there is a more sinister motive?.
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Reposted from my thread
The WT's GB spent time pouring over and scrutinizing wording in the old NWT and found something WRONG with it....and they changed it
The doctrinal changes that came with the last study WT..and all other changes that have happened over the years means also that they have poured over the doctrines, scrutinized them....and found something WRONG with them....and changed them....THEY have the luxury to do so....without consequences. ...if anyone else in the borg pours over wording of things...scrutinizes them....and finds something WRONG, and points it out....well we are demeaned, called names...and if we voice our disagreement in front of WT henchmen. .aka Elders....we get thrown out...with the act of disfellowshipping.
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Thank you New World Bible Translation Committee for removing the words, "mentally diseased" from 1 Tim. 6:4
by AndersonsInfo ini want to thank jehovah's witnesses new world bible translation committee for changing the words, "mentally diseased" as found in the 1984 edition of the nwt, to "obsessed with arguments," as found in 1 timothy 6:4 in the 2013 revised nwt.. on february 6, 2012, david splane, the overseer of the watchtower's writing department received an open letter from me which i posted below especially for new posters.
the topic of my letter was in response to the writing department's statement that ..."apostates are mentally diseased" in their july 15, 2011 watchtower.
the 1984 edition of the new world translation reads:.
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Lied2NoMore
Interesting how WT teachings , words, and articles can be eloquently used to condemn their own flawed teachings and practices. They no doubt read a letter like that and easily shrug it off but we and other doubters who read it see it as a searing hot beacon of light that exposes how fraudulent the WT and its leadership truely are.
Well done
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So, the (N)NWT is gray in color?
by undercover inokay, perusing the threads about the special meeting and new bible, i see that the new bible is gray.. gray?
gray?
as in - dull?
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The color reminds me of the skin tone of a mortician I used to work for at a funeral home. Pale and corpse-like.
Eerie indeed.....:-D
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the bottom line....the indisputable truth...now think about this.....the new bible means....
by Lied2NoMore inthe wt's gb spent time pouring over and scrutinizing wording in the old nwt and found something wrong with it....and they changed it.
the doctrinal changes that came with the last study wt..and all other changes that have happened over the years means also that they have poured over the doctrines, scrutinized them....and found something wrong with them....and changed them..... they have the luxury to do so....without consequences.
...if anyone else in the borg pours over wording of things...scrutinizes them....and finds something wrong, and points it out....well we are demeaned, called names...and if we voice our disagreement in front of wt henchmen.
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Lied2NoMore
The WT's GB spent time pouring over and scrutinizing wording in the old NWT and found something WRONG with it....and they changed it
The doctrinal changes that came with the last study WT..and all other changes that have happened over the years means also that they have poured over the doctrines, scrutinized them....and found something WRONG with them....and changed them....
THEY have the luxury to do so....without consequences. ...if anyone else in the borg pours over wording of things...scrutinizes them....and finds something WRONG, and points it out....well we are demeaned, called names...and if we voice our disagreement in front of WT henchmen. .aka Elders....we get thrown out...with the act of disfellowshipping.
IF YOUR LURKING AND STILL A PART OF THE WT ORGANIZATION....ISN'T THIS AN EMBARRASSING FACT ABOUT YOUR RELIGION???
I am not DF'd or DA'd...I am inactive for life by choice. My mind is free from captivity from WT...and it feels great!!!
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Major goof in the Sept 1 WT article on Babel and the origin of languages
by marmot injust wanted to point out something that another poster brought up in the thread on the agm rumours, the writing department included a photo of a cuneiform tablet in their article on the origin of languages with a caption that states it is from 3000 bc.
this would pre-date the global flood myth and the fanciful tower of babel story altogether, hah!.
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I recently read the couple verses just before the " fable of the tower of babel" in the NWT and it clearly states tbere were multiple languages before tbe confusion started in the "babel fairy tale" at least it reads that way to me
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sunday dinner with mom was a hoot...too bad she is sooooo brainwashed.....
by Lied2NoMore ini went to meeting sunday with the family to sit thru drivel of public talk and wt.
i actually held a wt and followed along!
like most here was able to pick out all the lies, deceptions and utter rediculousness of wt trying to say..."we didn't have it right before and we admitt it, but boy, we sure got it right now, even though we never have had anything right before".....you know....so fast forward to dinner with my sadly very mentally ill mother, who for lack of any intellect in the past was a very emotionally, mentally and physically abusive to me and my siblings, and a mental specimen of exactly what wt wants out of its adherents, leans to me and says, "the wt lately has been admitting how they have had things wrong in the past, it really is refreshing to see the changes which tell us how close we are.
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Ever since I have made it known the WT has blown any shred of credibility it ever had....she keeps trying to "witness" to me and if I try to reply, she tells me to just stop talking...she doesn't want to hear it....WT should be embarrassed this is the best they can get from their members...someone who has been a lifetime member but can't cope with any contrary dialogue so they bury their heads in the ground...sad indeed
I forgot I also said truth should stand up to scrutiny. ..but WT detests being scrutinized. .its a DF offense
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sunday dinner with mom was a hoot...too bad she is sooooo brainwashed.....
by Lied2NoMore ini went to meeting sunday with the family to sit thru drivel of public talk and wt.
i actually held a wt and followed along!
like most here was able to pick out all the lies, deceptions and utter rediculousness of wt trying to say..."we didn't have it right before and we admitt it, but boy, we sure got it right now, even though we never have had anything right before".....you know....so fast forward to dinner with my sadly very mentally ill mother, who for lack of any intellect in the past was a very emotionally, mentally and physically abusive to me and my siblings, and a mental specimen of exactly what wt wants out of its adherents, leans to me and says, "the wt lately has been admitting how they have had things wrong in the past, it really is refreshing to see the changes which tell us how close we are.
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Can't believe I survived being raised by her....I should be dead
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sunday dinner with mom was a hoot...too bad she is sooooo brainwashed.....
by Lied2NoMore ini went to meeting sunday with the family to sit thru drivel of public talk and wt.
i actually held a wt and followed along!
like most here was able to pick out all the lies, deceptions and utter rediculousness of wt trying to say..."we didn't have it right before and we admitt it, but boy, we sure got it right now, even though we never have had anything right before".....you know....so fast forward to dinner with my sadly very mentally ill mother, who for lack of any intellect in the past was a very emotionally, mentally and physically abusive to me and my siblings, and a mental specimen of exactly what wt wants out of its adherents, leans to me and says, "the wt lately has been admitting how they have had things wrong in the past, it really is refreshing to see the changes which tell us how close we are.
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So it goes...another WT drone thinks it is imperative to just believe the WT no matter what they say and if you dare question them or doubt them you better just shut up. Shut up or be disfellowshiped and jehovah surely wants you dead