The solution is simple. Contact the media and tell all your friends to do the same. My daughter was abused from the age of nine until she was 13 years old. My idiotic wife left me because I quit this cult. I realize now that it's time for some people to die. I'll just bide my time. Perhaps Bethel will suffer a tragedy like 9-11. Wouldn't that be just too bad??
mcsemike
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Deny this! Brooklyn! I dare you
by stevenyc ini'm to angry right now to write a complete synopsis on the following article from the watchtower.
it regarding child molestation and repressed memories.
i'll put in one quote, and leave this rest for you to read at your leasure.. ps, probably worth copying this because i would be surprised if they will leave it up much longer!.
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Getting Busted w/ Love Letters
by OpenFireGlass in.
love letters were the demise for many of the kids in congregations that i attended growing up..... i know i ended up in the library/back room several times for this (hopless romantic/ sagitarius) even put on public reproof for it.
(though i believe it was my dad's idea to have the elders put me on public reproof so that he could have more control over me).
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mcsemike
I'm sorry about the beating and the hair getting cut. These people are lunatics. You might have not known exactly what to make of it, but legally and morally, it was child abuse to do that to you. Child services should have been called by the school and your parents arrested and committed to a mental hospital. If I hear of one more JW child who has been mistreated (my daughter was raped at the age of nine until 13) I'm going to lose my famous Sicilian temper and take the father outside. And he's not coming back in.
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mcsemike
This was freaking pathetic. When I got my degree in Psychology, I took a course on "Abnormal Psychology". I think four chapters in my textbook could have been devoted to this lying lunatic. Do they really believe that the world and maybe even other JW's don't see throught this crap?? Absolutely disgusting. They should have thrown his sorry ass in prison for perjury for 10 years. That might wake up the next "honest" JW who was thinking about lying in court. Where's that earthquake I keep hoping for to hit NYC?
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When were the Watchtower's best moments?
by JH inare they in their best moments right now, since they never had as many witnesses as now worldwide, or were their best days somewhere in 1950's or 60's or 70's before deception set it.
did the watchtower ever have any credibility somewhere in time?
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mcsemike
This might sound strange, but my best moments concerning the WT were from about 1977 to 1980. I had studied on and off since 1971. But I came back strongly in early 1977, got baptized Dec. 1977 and married 2 weeks later. Things seemed more tolerant and Crisis of Conscience seems to indicate that Ray Franz's moderate approach to things produced a more relaxed mood. Everyone seemed happy, there were several couples (some with kids, some not) and we had picnics, played softball after meetings and had a blast. I guess we all figured that 1975 would be cleared up soon with a "reasonable" explanation.
Then in 1980, I was made a book study conductor and I noticed that the WT articles were getting more harsh and strict. Again, after reading C of C, I now know why. Everything fits after reading Ray's books. It's all so clear and obvious, I'm not surprised that the WT hates him so much.
I guess it has a lot to do with your own individual personal life at the time. I was newly married and being given many responsibilities. So I thought life was great and that the WT was great. Little did I know.
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for the DF'd: did you confess or were you ratted out?
by kid-A inlooking back at the 10 or so cases of disfellowshipping i recall, i think only 1 was due to the orwellian borg spy system.
he was ratted out.. all the other cases were actually "confessions" by people that otherwise would have gotten away with it.
i am wondering is these percentages.
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mcsemike
I faced a JC meeting after my wife and also a fellow teacher at the computer school where I worked told the elders I was reading Ray Franz's books. My wife left me and then they called the JC meeting. I was the brother's supervisor. At the meeting, the elders told me that he'd written to them TWO YEARS ago when I first told him casually I was reading the books. He never told me he wrote to them. I don't remember telling him about the books. What a coward. If he wasn't 6 feet 8 inches tall, I'd have punched his lights out.
The JC meeting took 3 consecutive Sundays of one hour apiece for those inept bozos to make up their minds. (Sorry, elders don't have minds.) After the second meeting, I told my wife on the phone that the whole thing was a "kangaroo court". She called the elders and told them what I said. The third meeting, the next day, they asked me if I said that. I don't remember saying it, so I said no. They said it was my word against hers so they couldn't do anything. But they reproved me because I acted repentant. I didn't want to be DF'd so that my 16 year old daughter would be forced to ignore me. As it turned out, she stopped having anything to do with me a few years later anyway. I have seen her once in 3 years. I also intimated to the JC that if I got DF'd, there would be some hurting going on. Of course, if I ever told them that now, they would have DF'd me just to show me I don't run things. I was only reproved. But I told them the deal still stands. Anyone doing anything that causes my daughter to ignore me for the rest of my life is going to get badly hurt. Sorry, but someone has to do something to wake these jackasses up sooner or later. I'm sick of the destruction to families and the suicides I see. If someone shot an elder for each person who committed suicide, the DF'ing would soon stop. Bible reason?? "A life for a life."
Elders are the biggest weasels in the world. And JW's who rat out a family member, especially a son or daughter, don't deserve to be parents. The sooner this sick cult is destroyed, the better. Maybe if someone prays to the Zodiac god, an asteroid will fall on Bethel. No loss.
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Disposable People
by MerryMagdalene insince my mom decided she needed to put full shunning back into effect again (an unconscious new year's resolution to be a better jw?
), i've been ransacked by a whole bunch of emotions which have been gradually resolving into thoughts.
the sense of being completely disposable, expendable, replaceable.
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mcsemike
Merry, I don't know you well and just started posting here recently. Please don't feel worthless. You are loved. And I mean this sincerely, you ARE a beautiful person. Don't lose hope. I almost did and I somehow got past it. Hang in there. It does get better.
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HELP PROSECUTE THE PERPS...
by stillconcerned inthis post is inspired by a prior thread re 'what to do when you hear about a predator'... .
for those who may not know, i am a civil attorney whose practice is limited to sexual molestation litigation.. at present, my firm represents a number of abuse survivors who were molested by those in authority in various jw congregations.
these cases are pending.. in the course of investigating the factual background related to the clients i represent, i have stumbled across a great number of reports of abuse within the context of jw congregations.
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mcsemike
I can provide the following information. The man who molested my daughter was Patrick Marando. He used to live on Dow Avenue in Ocean Twp., Monmouth County, NJ. The congregations that knew he was a molester are Ocean-Asbury Park, Wayside, Long Branch North, Long Branch Central, Fair Haven, and Eatontown. His wife also knew he was a pervert. Many elders, and his wife Lynne, knew his history and that he was at my home. None warned us. He molested others after my daughter. He moved to Pine Beach, NJ, in Ocean County. I last heard he is trying to get reinstated somewhere in Ocean County. I don't have the congregation name, but am working on it. His son, PJ Marando, was a Ministerial Servant at the time and tried to get us to drop the charges, but the police said no and so did we. PJ is now an elder and he and many elders and pioneers shunned my daughter and called her a "lying whore". Monmouth County's congregations are rife with molestation cover-ups and many elders know about it. My family moved to the Hazlet or Middletown congregation in Middletown, Monmouth County, NJ. Those elders tried my in a judicial committee because I opposed 607 BCE and also how my daughter was treated. They did NOTHING to help convince my wife to move back with me after she had left 3 months before, taking my 16 year old daughter with her. I quit because of the hypocrisy and ill treatment.
I hope this information will help someone in the future. Many publishers in these congregations, after I told them what happened, said things like: "Oh, yeah, Pat, I can believe that." There were dozens of similar comments, leading me to believe that his molestation tendencies were already well known to many. When he was arrested and the article of what he did appeared in the newspaper, publishers called the local elders for verification on his identity. They were all told "No Comment". They were left on their own to wonder if he was the person in the newspaper. Fortunately, they published his address later, so everyone then knew. He had been DF'd in the past for adultery as well. His son's wife, Jennifer, also shunned my daughter and caused her extreme emotionaly stress. Please be aware that my wife told me that several of these congregations were split up and rearranged because of all the in-fighting concerning this case. Many believed my daughter but many did not. The two groups were not speaking, there was marking and other behavior. It caused quite a stir in the entire circuit.
I wrote a letter to the CO, "Brother DeSenti" (sp?), who ignored my request to help mend my family. His words were "it's not my week to handle your congregation". It WAS the week he was visiting the congregation where the abuse occurred. He lied. I never heard from him again. To all people in Monmouth and Ocean counties in NJ, I want to warn you that there is NO justice there and you will NOT be warned about any molesters in your midst.
Thank you for allowing me to tell my story. I hope it protects people in the future.
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mcsemike
I know this sounds a little extreme, but wouldn't it be quicker and more satisfying to just pour gasoline on the whole stinking pile and light it? Wood burns fast with gas on it, doesn't it? I'd sure love the smell...oh, I mean stench....of the WT burning to the ground.
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The Watchtower's Great Game of "Jenga" and Exposure
by metatron injenga is a simple game in which wooden blocks are neatly piled up - and then removed, one by one, until one person ( the person who loses.
the game) makes the pile collapse.. it is tempting to see the organization in the same way - making small but significant "removals" over time.
they pull out food service.
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mcsemike
Thank you, Danny, for the quote. I've followed your story somewhat. I post on Silent Lambs as M.A.N.
I saw your quote a little differently years ago. "All it takes for evil to triumph is for ENOUGH good men to do nothing." I hope that all of us here can increase in number and ensure that there are never "enough good men" willing to keep silent about the WT's garbage. It may not happen soon, but if every person in this country who is NOT a JW learns about them and refuses to have any dealings with them, then they MUST of necessity die out and then it's all over. I think the decreasing numbers for the modern world is evidence that this is starting to happen. The Internet WILL be the means to destroy them. That, along with books that some of us write, and any media/TV appearances that can be arranged. It's only a matter of time before they sink forever.
Their own children hate the WT. People are leaving by the hundreds, if not thousands. Books are being written. I petitioned everyone on Silent Lambs to apply to the Dr. Phil show or to contact Oprah. They have millions of viewers. Just ONE appearance on either show would crack the WT to pieces. I urge everyone to continue the fine work being done here and to tell everyone you know about this CULT. Thank you.
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List of family/friends lost to the Watchtower cult? (suicides)
by hubert inafter reading about puternuts (ari) suicide, and also reading about sabine and js losing their daughter to this cult, i think it would be a fitting memorial, so to speak, to write a list of all the people we know who died because of this cult.
i also know that cruzanheart lost her dad to it, too.
i'm sure there are many here that can make a list of suicides brought on by the shunning/threatening policies of the watchtower cult.
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mcsemike
Mark Bergheimer, New Jersey, obituary in newspaper, it did NOT mention he was a JW (I believe the family was disgusted with the WT). Was a Bethel worker in the kitchen in the 1970's (was from Kentucky?), was DF'd, "found" in the door to door work by elder (who eventually became CO), came back to meetings, was reinstated, people all had him over for dinner once then dropped him, he felt lonely. Was put on anti-depressants. I made shepherding call on him with new elder whom everyone hated because he was mean and a bully, the elder was harsh the whole time. I had Mark over for dinner to cheer him up. He got DF'd again, don't know why, gained weight, seen on beach with beard and girlfriend. A few months later, OD'd on his medications and alcohol. He was found dead in his chair by the landlord of his apartment. Everyone acted like "so what, he left Jehovah". One brother, who taught me computers, cried when he heard the news and said "one of Jehovah's sheep was lost and it was not rescued". I was too stunned to react. He died early 1990's. He also worked in computers with me.
A Mr. Towler, father of 8 children. Wife and all kids raised as JW's. They were in the book study I conducted. Father never went to meetings. He hung himself about 15 years ago in the basement of his house. Was discovered by 8 year old daughter. The elders DID do a funeral talk at the funeral home, but not at the hall.
I am writing a book about the effects of the cult with a concentration on suicide, divorce, child abuse, alcohol/drug abuse, and family dynamics. I have a degree in Psychology. If there is a link or some common place where all this info can be found, I'd really appreciate it. I think I can get on local TV in a year or two with the book. I'm donating most of its proceeds to Silent Lambs and other organizations that help those who have been hurt by this cult. I was a JW for 25 years. Please email me if anyone knows of any such link or site. I post regularly on Silent Lambs as M.A.N. My email is an alias due to not wanting to lose my daughter by being DF'd yet. She was raped for 4 years beginning at 9 years old. I can't go public yet until she is better or she might end up on this list. Please use my alias. The name is Thomas King and the email is [email protected]. Thank you for any assistance and I think this thread is worth saving.
To Randy: Can this be done in a convenient way? I'm a network engineer, but I don't know much about web pages or design. Can we somehow make a database or list or something where all this info could go? It would be a powerful weapon against the WT. It might even be the basis of the lawsuit that bring them down for good. If someone got on Oprah with a book with 30 million women watching, and people brought out pictures of their lost loved ones, I think that might seal the fate of the WT for good. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I want this CULT destroyed ASAP and FOREVER. My wife left me 4 years ago and took my then 16 year old daughter. They now shun me. I was told last night that my now 20 year old daughter wishes NO contact with me EVER. Not even to make arrangements for her future. She has been brainwashed (is that the right word, do JW's even HAVE brains?) to hate me.
I give my condolences to everyone who has lost someone here and to all victims.