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ies that have happened to individuals on this board.
(what inspired me to write this subject was a bone chilling account .
Thanks for the info on the ransom. I thought I remembered back when I was a book study conductor (over 20 years ago) having a book that said that Jesus paid the ransom and the ransom was "his perfect life as a human". I don't care either way, I was just curious if I had found one more contradiction to put on my list.
By the way, are the people from Sodom and Gomorrah being resurrected or not? What's the flavor of the month on this one? Thanks.
<!-- .style1 {font-family: arial, sans-serif} .style2 {color: #ff0000} .style3 {color: #000000} .style4 {font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; } --> the great taboo discussionsuicides among former jehovah's witnesses to write about this discussion neither appeals to me nor does it make me feel comfortable to discuss it.. however, it is necessary to consider in light of all the trauma, negative experiences, and personal traged-.
ies that have happened to individuals on this board.
(what inspired me to write this subject was a bone chilling account .
Re: Nathan's quote of the WT material:
Jehovah paid the price? I thought Jesus did. Is this from their article word for word? Just curious if they changed things.
Also: Jehovah is within his "rights" to extend mercy to suicides? How NICE of the WT to GIVE GOD the RIGHT to do things. What damn arrogance!! Next Bethel will be drawing up lists of who is going to be in the new system and who is not.
Can anyone say "Schindler's List"?
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ies that have happened to individuals on this board.
(what inspired me to write this subject was a bone chilling account .
I only started to consider it strongly after my wife left me five years ago and took my daughter with her (she had been molested for years and the elders covered it up). I spent hours and hours on the Internet researching how to do it. I then lived in a state where firearms are not common. I was put on depression medication and went to therapy for 2 years.
I now live in the South and have a carry permit and daily and always carry a huge .45 pistol. But I'm over the urge to use it. Four years ago, I would have. I'm now off the medication, don't go to therapy, and try to remind myself that life should get better. I also always hope that my daughter, now 21 years old, will someday want to have a relationship with me. I've seen her twice in the past 4 years and the last time we spoke on the phone was a year ago. She never answers my emails or letters.
I also obtained a BA in Psychology during the past 3 years. I have more coping skills now. I also know how to understand and help my daughter, should she ever want that. I will be divorcing my wife. She said even if I returned to the WT (which I have fought for five years now) and became a CO, she'd never return to me "in this system". I love the forgiveness JW's have, don't you? Maybe SHE won't be there and I WILL. What irony.
I cannot recall all of the statistics right now, but JW's have just about the highest rate of mental illness in the country. Some claims put their depression rate at up to 40 times the general public. I know an old friend who is a psychologist out West with a Doctorate degree. She said she treats so many JW's for mental illness that she considers it to be a pandemic. This speaks very poorly of a group that claims to have a "happy God" and a "spiritual paradise". I know MANY have killed themselves because of the WT.
The last CO I spoke with said the policy on suicide was that it was up to Jehovah. He said "nobody knows if the second before the bullet tore through their brain that they weren't repentant or sorry." He also said a funeral was up to an elder's conscience. I don't know if that's official. After all, the WT is hardly known for stable beliefs year after year, are they?
I know there are many articles on mental illness and how to deal with it here on Freeminds and also on Silent Lambs. I urge anyone who is in need to read them.
great yarmouth mercury, uk - 19 hours ago.
members of the bradwell congregation - including their only child, a daughter - are now forbidden from speaking to david and brenda gibbons since they were forced to.
they were thrown out by a judicial committee at great yarmouth kingdom hall in july, after writing a letter containing personal criticism to another member of the congregation.. .
To Silversurfer1: You made a good point. I was a MS for years and a book study conductor although there were elders without book studies. They were grooming me for elder, then maybe CO because our "sister" cong. that shared the hall had a couple just the same age as my wife and I and also childless (I later had a daughter who was raped by a JW, but that's another story. See SL and read MAN.) He and his wife went into the circuit work. (I always wished they meant that literally. As in "put your finger in the socket and do us all a favor.")
They took me on "shepherding calls", but they usually were on PIONEERS. Can you imagine? They called on the popular and strong ones to keep them "on the job". The inactive rarely got called on. I stopped saying, after each book study ended each week, "Let's not forget to call anyone who wasn't here tonight, please." Yeah, right. Rush home, kick off the shoes, off with the suits, and TV here we come!
Some CO's were tough, or thought they were. We had one named Conte, an Italian (so am I, so no complaints). He urged people on with "I could be in Florida, retired right now. But I'm here serving YOU and Jehovah." I thought, "hey, get the hell out of NJ and go to FL." What a grouch. I now LIVE in Florida and I HATE it. It's a damn swamp. But this is the kind of man they hold up to us as an example. I'll never understand it.
This is not a cheerful night, I just got into another battle with the nearly ex-wife. TO ALL SINGLE PEOPLE!!!! "THINK TWICE!!!! AND THEN DON'T DO IT!!!!"
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what exactly is the cause of the wtbts total obsession with masturbation?.
is there any religion in the world that has printed so many articles on this topic?.
if your feelings are similart to those of luiz, pedro or andre, take courage.
To Gregor: And that elder is now: Dead? DF'd? Reproved? Shot? I'm sure we all know one of these "elderettes" who can't stand not to know what the elders know. And what kind of p**** elder would tell his wife something like this?? Idiots.
what exactly is the cause of the wtbts total obsession with masturbation?.
is there any religion in the world that has printed so many articles on this topic?.
if your feelings are similart to those of luiz, pedro or andre, take courage.
Anitar: It's possible. But even if the WT allowed masturbation with no one there caring one way or another, they would draw the line at all the other sexual conduct they now still object to.
I don't know where all this will end. I know I would never allow any elder to question me or a child of mine concerning this issue. People's psyche's are destroyed enough being JW's, they don't need the third degree from strangers. This applies especially when the one being questioned is female. I think it's sick that any elder, being male, should EVER question any female about sexual matters. I'm not a prude, I object to what I believe is the perverted entertainment many elders get when serving on committees of this nature.
I guess I won't give up my day job, seeing no one understood my earlier post.
what exactly is the cause of the wtbts total obsession with masturbation?.
is there any religion in the world that has printed so many articles on this topic?.
if your feelings are similart to those of luiz, pedro or andre, take courage.
Hi Anitar: How in God's name could ANY SANE person believe that masturbation could EVER be even CLOSE to any "unforgivable sin" or "sin against the Holy Spirit". How many Bible characters committed adultery and were forgiven, even being on Rutherford's list to be resurrected in 1925 and to move into a mansion because they were such great people? What warped thinking could punish people for behavior that affects no one else but themselves?
I have news for you, WT fiction writers. I have a degree in Psychology. Masturbation does NOT set people up for abnormal sex lives when they are adults. And adults masturbate as well. I once read an article in either the WT or Awake (should be "Wise Up") that a MARRIED MAN could not masturbate, even if he were thinking of his wife at the time. What if she was paralyzed? Or in a coma? He can't divorce her. He can't remarry. What is he supposed to do? OH, I know, PRAY more. That magic word fixes everything, doesn't it?
I've been watching the tapes on child abuse that I got from SL. The attitudes of the elders, especially that fat elder in Australia whose nose looks like a large potato, is disgusting. If the WT spent half the time on cleaning out the nest of filthy child abusers in their midst that they spend on teenagers who masturbate, THEN they might be doing something worthwhile.
In conclusion, seeing that the Bible contains absolutely NO verses against masturbation, I suggest that you, the WT, spend your time learning the Bible and applying it. Not YOUR Bible, I mean the REAL Bible. One that you didn't rewrite in order to fit your needs. And stop trying to play psychologists. You aren't qualified and you have NO education to do so. For a religion whose elders usually have little or no college education, you appear like fools when you attempt to analyze intellectual topics. Just keep to washing windows and getting that rafter out of your OWN eyes.
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great yarmouth mercury, uk - 19 hours ago.
members of the bradwell congregation - including their only child, a daughter - are now forbidden from speaking to david and brenda gibbons since they were forced to.
they were thrown out by a judicial committee at great yarmouth kingdom hall in july, after writing a letter containing personal criticism to another member of the congregation.. .
Anitar: That's the problem, they read THEIR Bible, not THE Bible. Thus it is easy to twist things their way.
Jesus said to go find the lost sheep so it could be rescued. The WT looks for the lost sheep, asks why it wandered away, accuses it of rebelliousness, asks what it did wrong while it was gone, and then kills it for getting lost in the first place. Leaving the dead sheep, the shepherd then returns to the flock and tells them he couldn't find the sheep, or the sheep was eaten by wolves (basically true, since the shepherd IS a wolf), and tells the flock "okay, let's get back to work. Forget him, he's gone." Very cute indeed.
Any WT lurkers care to disprove my accusations?? I triple dare you.
great yarmouth mercury, uk - 19 hours ago.
members of the bradwell congregation - including their only child, a daughter - are now forbidden from speaking to david and brenda gibbons since they were forced to.
they were thrown out by a judicial committee at great yarmouth kingdom hall in july, after writing a letter containing personal criticism to another member of the congregation.. .
Well, as usual, we see another example of the "great love" and "mercy" that JW's have for humanity, much less their own members. I honestly don't think I can name one other organization that destroys families with such callousness and hatred. Well, maybe Adolph Hitler. That's not saying much for the WT when THEIR version of Christianity sounds just like Hitler's version of Nazism. Any thoughts on this??
what exactly is the cause of the wtbts total obsession with masturbation?.
is there any religion in the world that has printed so many articles on this topic?.
if your feelings are similart to those of luiz, pedro or andre, take courage.
First, I think it is sick that a group of men question young people, and especially females, about this subject. Don't they always advise young girls with "certain problems" to go to their mother or a "mature sister"? My bet is most "mature sisters" do it also, especially if their husbands have died or are impotent.
Secondly, I wish all of you would use a larger font. I'm having trouble reading all of these comments.
