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Ezekiel's Mystery "Chieftain"/Leader ...
by MDS in
1. watchtower
2. bible
we read at ezekiel 44:1-3 the following mysterious information about a future temple of god's making and blessing,.

"and he proceeded to bring me back by way of the gate of the sanctuary, the outer one facing east, and it was shut.

then jehovah said to me: "as regards this gate, shut is how it will continue.
MDS

(Mystery Chieftain Continued)
SATANIC CONTROL EVIDENT AMONG ORGANIZATION OF JWS
In light of so many acts of wrongdoing being practiced by the wicked, self-seeking Governing Body of JWs and Headquarters staff, some have felt as follows:
...If you are at the top you can do many things with impunity, and without giving it a second thought as to propriety.
There can be no question but that this is a true statement, and the awful reality that all sincere JWs face today. However, we are reminded, the way the Governing Body of JWs conducts itself, is exactly like the Pharisees in Jesus' day. They are under complete "Satanic" Control...so much so, that "Satan" will have to be "cast out," or expelled from such a "demonized" group. But, this will not happen. Because they are the "Man of Lawlessness," unrevealed to many thus far. God will allow Satan to have more and more "control" over them...even allow Satan to them grant them, that's the Governing Body of JWs, "...every powerful work, lying signs, and portents." It is sure to happen. -- 2 Thess. 2:3-9
The "Satanic" control exhibited over this "world" [Greek: Kosmos, "an orderly arrangement"] calls for SUPERNATURAL HELP on God's part...an "expelling of Satan" from this "world"...a demonized "world" ... the "world" of JWs as a nation. Just like in Jesus' day. Satan has to be "cast out", of this demonized JW "world." We remember Luke 10:17 shows, appropriately the "spirits [demons] were made subject" to the apostles. This making the "spirits" [demons] "subject" to the apostles was necessary. Thus, this obvious, "Satanic" Demonic influence had to be addressed...must be address if any spiritual progress is to be made. Jehovah and Jesus knew this. Thus, the act of "expelling" demons became a lifelong "activity" of the apostles. -- See Luke 10:18-20; John 12:31.
And, that is precisely what Jesus' ministry, accomplished...the "judging" and "casting out" of Satan. Jesus made it a practice, to "expel" demons, during the course of his ministry, and allowed his disciples to do the same. Jesus gave his disciples "AUTHORITY OVER unclean spirits [demons]." Thus, the first century christians were completely free of any "Satanic" influence, at all. Satan, had been truly "cast out." Now, they could grow strong, spiritually. -- Matthew 8:16; 10:1; John 12:31; Acts 16:16-18
It is the same in our day. Satanic, Demonic influence must be addressed by all JWs, worldwide. Satan must be "cast out," again...from this "world." Supernatural help is needed to truly accomplish this. -- See Revelation 12:7-12.
And it will be accomplished, again...and the "birth of God's Kingdom" along with it. -- Isaiah 66:5-9
In the meantime...the "Man of Lawlessness" is busy...forcing the "birth" or separation of this "kingdom"...shortly to be "cut out of a mountain"...a Divine separation...a precious "stone"...the beginning of God's Kingdom. Shortly upon us. -- Daniel 2:34, 44, 45
The "Man of Lawlessness" is forcing the "situation"...this Godly action...to "cut this stone" from this sacred "mountain" ... like at Pentecost. -- 2 Thess. 2:3-12; Isaiah 66:5-9; Daniel 2:34, 44, 45
The "Transgression that causes Desolation" Identified -- Daniel 8:12, 13
Here is a quote that explains the entire problem, the "transgression" the GB/WTS committed 10 years ago, by using the Sept. 8, 1991 Awake magazine...and subsequent issues since that time. This is the "transgression" that brings on Jehovah's wrath..."desolation," and the need for Jesus' stern warning to "use discernment" and promptly "flee [modern-day Jerusalem]..." ... exit the WTS (aka, Babylon The Great, the "great city")! -- Ezekiel 44:6,7; Jer. 23:19, 20; Mark 13:14; Rev. 11:8; 18:2, 4
This insightful comment was made by "SeigsWife" on Sept. 30th, addressed to "Fred Hall" under the thread entitled "NGOS & DPI".
Please weight her words very, very carefully...
...The society is now allowing the Dept. of Public Information of the UN to DIRECT, in part, the content of their magazines. They have entered an AGREEMENT to USE their publications to promote the ideals of the UN. I thought that JEHOVAH was the one DIRECTING the content and ideals of these publications. If the UN, the wild beast, has now assumed this role, where does JEHOVAH fit in? Can JEHOVAH and the WILD BEAST fellowship in this way? Another point is that by agreeing to PROMOTE the UN and its philosophy, the WTS is now acting as a MOUTHPIECE FOR THE UN. Can they really be the mouthpiece for Jehovah AND the wild beast at the same time? Why do you think that a UN agnency is mentioned in some way in EVERY AWAKE magazine? It's because the WTS doesn't have the freedom NOT to mention them if they don't want to. It's because they have agreed to use these publications to do just that. Think, man, think. They are in the same classification with the UN as other churches in the world of false religion, BABYLON THE GREAT. How do you think that Babylon the Great actually RIDES the Wild Beast, if not as NGO's?
Her viewpoint is EXACTLY RIGHT...exactly the way Jehovah sees this entire problem.
Ezekiel 44:6,7 shows its a direct "act of rebellion" against God...ever since 1991.
It is "the transgression that CAUSES desolation." -- Daniel 8:12, 13
That means, brothers, just as Jesus said, its high time to "FLEE to the mountains..." Away from the WTS organization [Jerusalem]...lest we FEEL God's "wrath" upon us as it comes upon this wretched people and offensive spiritual "land." -- Jer. 30:23, 24; Matt. 24:15, 16; Luke 21:21-23
Remember: Its the use of these "publications" to uphold the UN, that's the problem...the publications that have previously, glorified and declared "His Great Name." Those who formerly, "boasted in His Name," even. And now, by relying upon the political nations for "security" and prosperity, they have effectively "renounced" this "Great Name" ...by saying, "we have no king but Caesar." Therefore, their "disgrace," is now complete. Now, God acts...He makes the "sun go down at highnoon" or "midday" for God's Name People...sudden spiritual "darkness" instantly upon JWs. A pathetic situation for those who were formerly privileged to "boast in His Name." -- Psalms 105:3; John 19:15
"And it must occur in that day is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, that I will make the SUN GO DOWN AT HIGH NOON, and I will cause darkness for the land ON A BRIGHT DAY." -- Amos 8:9
We are there, my friends...instant "darkness"..."on a bright day."
Jehovah has done this...to "Israel," His Name People. -- 2 Chron. 7:14
HEEDING THE WARNING OF JESUS AT MATTHEW 24:15, 16
On Sept. 19th 2001, "You Know" made the following comment under the Topic "Latest Installment of Apostate Doom..."
As regards my expression ---initial phase of the tribulation---that you took exception to, we could point to the 1st century fulfillment of Christ's words regarding the disgusting thing encroaching upon a holy place. That event, which occurred in 67 C.E., when the Romans under Gallius besieged the city, marked the beginning of the tribulation. That was the signal for Christians to take decisive action. As it turned out the Roman legions withdrew and didn't return for over 3 years. So, what occurred then in 67 was an INITIAL PHASE of the tribulation that was to follow. And primarily that initial phase of distress affected Christians who obeyed Jesus and left their homes and businesses, and perhaps families in some cases. That was their trial; their judgment, if you will. The rest of the city that stayed received their judgment later when the Romans imperial legions returned and crushed Jerusalem. So in the grander fulfillment, the initial phase of the tribulation that comes upon the world will serve God's purpose of testig and refining his own. As the tribulation progresses to its conclusion, then God's judgments against the world are revealed at Armageddon. Like in 67, the judgment is based upon how each one responds to the distressing events of the initial phase of the tribulation.
Isn't the above information that you have so eloguently provided, the actual "proof" and scriptural basis for all faithful JWs to "flee" modern-day Jerusalem of our times, the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses under the guidance of the Governing Body?
WE MUST ADMIT THE "SITUATION" FACING ALL JWS TODAY:
1. The "Disgusting thing" Jesus spoke of = United Nation Organization where "the [Bible] reader [All JWS] must use [spiritual] discernment" to escape calamity. -- Matt. 24:15
2. The Beast "standing where he ought not/in Holy Place" = WTS/GB voluntary becomes UN NGO/DPI (greedily receiving money from UN Organization and accepting perks like free air fare, etc.)
3. The "Transgression That Causes Desolation" (Dan. 8:13) = Writing of Sept. 8th, 1991 Awake! supportive article on United Nations (and subsequent favorable articles written on United Nations Organization since that year...no one "twists their arm" to write such...completely voluntary action)
4. Jesus commands his disciples to "flee Jerusalem" (City called by God's Name) Deut. 16:6; Jer. 25:29; Dan. 9:19 = All sincere JWs "flee" JWs/WTS Organization...before coming "days of vengeneance"/"wrath" upon this people - Matt. 24:15, 16; Mark 13:14; Luke 21:21-24
5. Modern-day "Jerusalem" from which All JWs should "flee" = "The Great City," aka "Babylon the Great" ... where the "Man of Lawlessness" (Governing Body) presides and "publicly shows himself to be a god," by openly breaking God's Law with impunity or any corrective action on the JW flock's part. -- Revelation 11:8; 18:8, 18; 2 Thess. 2:3-12
6. 70 Years of "Captivity" to "Babylon, the Great City" -- the "City that is called by God's Name" has ended...October 2001. Reminiscient of what Daniel "discerned" from reading "Jeremiah" for ancient "Israel." A repeat of this situation, all over again. -- Daniel 9:2; 9:19; Revelation 11:8; 18:8, 18
7. Amazingly, the "Babylonish Captivity" Ends on Anniversary of 70 Years of "Captivity" & of "Declaring God's Name," October 2001, exactly when the "transgression which causes desolation" has been revealed by Jehovah God Himself..."coming on a swift cloud." They will no longer be allowed to "boast in His Name." -- Isa. 19:1-4; Psalms 105:1-3; See publication: "Jehovah's Witnesses In the Divine Purpose" pgs. 125, 126 and October 1931 release of publication "The Hope of the World Is God's Kingdom, and There is No Other Hope" which was the beginning of "Declaring God's Name" or "Naming the Name of Jehovah" as a united people. -- Psalms 105:1; 2 Tim. 2:19
Based upon the above, wouldn't you say, All sincere JWs have to voluntarily "get out of Babylon", "Jerusalem", the "Great City", JWs Organization to please Jehovah? -- Rev. 11:8; 18:2, 4, 8, 18
Indeed, the expression Jesus used, "flee from Jerusalem", escape from her, is clearly taught repeatedly to us in the Holy Scriptures. The thought at first, might seem, unthinkable to loyal servants of God. Those who hold the "temple" of God, in utmost high esteem. Still, first century christians, were reminded of these very words at Hebrews 13:13, 14.
"Let us, then, go forth to him outside the camp, bearing the reproach he bore, for we do not have here a city that continues, but we are earnestly seeking the one to come."
Yes, first century christians had to "flee" Jerusalem, go "outside the camp" of Jerusalem, the "city that did not continue." The "city that is called by God's Name." -- Deut. 16:6; Jer. 25:29; Dan. 9:19
Jesus reminded first century christians of their initial act of faith, courage & spirit of sacrifice in "fleeing" the idolatry and associations thereof of their former "temple" worship and life -- Leaving behind established homes, family, means of livelihood or work, life-time friends and former associates -- all who would stubbornly cling to, and willingly remain a part of that idolatrous, Covenant-Breaking "city" and people, those who favored supporting the rebellious "temple" worship of the Pharisees instead of following the worship advocated by Jesus the Messiah. Jesus made his point by saying,
"The one that conquers -- I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it [idolatrous "temple" at Jerusalem] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine." -- Revelation 3:12
Yes, christians had to "flee from idolatry." Thus, they had to flee idolatrous Jerusalem of the first century, their previous homes, life-style and worship. But flee, only once...one "flight" from Jerusalem would be enough to prove their true loyalty to God. One "escape" from Jerusalem, the "great city," -- one escape from "Babylon," and, as Jesus promised above, he would not have to "go out" or escape it "anymore." -- 1 Cor. 10:14; Rev. 3:12; 11:8; 18:4, 18
Today, all Jehovah's Witnesses, must do the same..."flee" from the G.B./WTS as an organization...an "apostate nation" that has "left Jehovah" completely. -- Isaiah 1:4; 10:6
MDS
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On STUMBLING BLOCKS
by You Know in
1. jw
2. friends
just a few loose ends and random thoughts for a select group of readers who have not been completely defrauded of your faith.. on the topic of stumbling: stumbling typically involves the mistakes of others whether real or perceived.

the reason jehovah does not consider any stumbling block as a valid reason for abandoning ones faith is because a persons faith should be in jehovah and christ in the first place.

and since god most assuredly did not let his worshipper down, what a fellow believer does or does not do should have no bearing upon our personal relationship with our heavenly father.
MDS

You Know:
On Sept. 19th 2001, under the Topic "Latest Installment of Apostate Doom..." you wrote:
As regards my expression ---initial phase of the tribulation---that you took exception to, we could point to the 1st century fulfillment of Christ's words regarding the disgusting thing encroaching upon a holy place. That event, which occurred in 67 C.E., when the Romans under Gallius besieged the city, marked the beginning of the tribulation. That was the signal for Christians to take decisive action. As it turned out the Roman legions withdrew and didn't return for over 3 years. So, what occurred then in 67 was an INITIAL PHASE of the tribulation that was to follow. And primarily that initial phase of distress affected Christians who obeyed Jesus and left their homes and businesses, and perhaps families in some cases. That was their trial; their judgment, if you will. The rest of the city that stayed received their judgment later when the Romans imperial legions returned and crushed Jerusalem. So in the grander fulfillment, the initial phase of the tribulation that comes upon the world will serve God's purpose of testig and refining his own. As the tribulation progresses to its conclusion, then God's judgments against the world are revealed at Armageddon. Like in 67, the judgment is based upon how each one responds to the distressing events of the initial phase of the tribulation.
Isn't the above information that you have so eloguently provided, the actual "proof" and scriptural basis for all faithful JWs to "flee" modern-day Jerusalem of our times, the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses under the guidance of the Governing Body?
WE MUST ADMIT THE "SITUATION" FACING ALL JWS TODAY:
1. The "Disgusting thing" Jesus spoke of = United Nation Organization where "the [Bible] reader [All JWS] must use [spiritual] discernment" to escape calamity. -- Matt. 24:15
2. The Beast "standing where he ought not/in Holy Place" = WTS/GB voluntary becomes UN NGO/DPI (greedily receiving money from UN Organization and accepting perks like free air fare, etc.)
3. The "Transgression That Causes Desolation" (Dan. 8:13) = Writing of Sept. 8th, 1991 Awake! supportive article on United Nations (and subsequent favorable articles written on United Nations Organization since that year...no one "twists their arm" to write such...completely voluntary action)
4. Jesus commands his disciples to "flee Jerusalem" (City called by God's Name) Deut. 16:6; Jer. 25:29; Dan. 9:19 = All sincere JWs "flee" JWs/WTS Organization...before coming "days of vengeneance"/"wrath" upon this people - Matt. 24:15, 16; Mark 13:14; Luke 21:21-24
5. Modern-day "Jerusalem" from which All JWs should "flee" = "The Great City," aka "Babylon the Great" ... where the "Man of Lawlessness" (Governing Body) presides and "publicly shows himself to be a god," by openly breaking God's Law with impunity or any corrective action on the JW flock's part. -- Revelation 11:8; 18:8, 18; 2 Thess. 2:3-12
6. 70 Years of "Captivity" to "Babylon, the Great City" -- the "City that is called by God's Name" has ended...October 2001. Reminiscient of what Daniel "discerned" from reading "Jeremiah" for ancient "Israel." A repeat of this situation, all over again. -- Daniel 9:2; 9:19; Revelation 11:8; 18:8, 18
7. Amazingly, the "Babylonish Captivity" Ends on Anniversary of 70 Years of "Captivity" & of "Declaring God's Name," October 2001, exactly when the "transgression which causes desolation" has been revealed by Jehovah God Himself..."coming on a swift cloud." They will no longer be allowed to "boast in His Name." -- Isa. 19:1-4; Psalms 105:1-3; See publication: "Jehovah's Witnesses In the Divine Purpose" pgs. 125, 126 and October 1931 release of publication "The Hope of the World Is God's Kingdom, and There is No Other Hope" which was the beginning of "Declaring God's Name" or "Naming the Name of Jehovah" as a united people. -- Psalms 105:1; 2 Tim. 2:19
Based upon the above, wouldn't you say, All sincere JWs have to voluntarily "get out of Babylon", "Jerusalem", the "Great City", JWs Organization to please Jehovah? -- Rev. 11:8; 18:2, 4, 8, 18
MDS
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Ezekiel's Mystery "Chieftain"/Leader ...
by MDS in
1. watchtower
2. bible
we read at ezekiel 44:1-3 the following mysterious information about a future temple of god's making and blessing,.

"and he proceeded to bring me back by way of the gate of the sanctuary, the outer one facing east, and it was shut.

then jehovah said to me: "as regards this gate, shut is how it will continue.
MDS

"THE MAN IN UNION WITH CHRIST" ... "WHO HEARD UNUTTERABLE, UNLAWFUL WORDS" -- 2 Corinthians 12:2-4
No...I DO NOT claim to be "Jesus Christ."
I claim to be an "anointed" follower of Jesus Christ, a Christian..."the man in union with Christ" who heard "unutterable words," ... "unlawful words" ... non-permissible words "for a man to speak." Unthinkable "words" about another "Covenant" from God...for "Israel."
"Words" that are perceived as "unutterable," or "unlawful for a man to speak" since they show spiritual "Israel" of our day, JWs as a people, have completely lost its spiritual standing with God. The unthinkable, has happened, again...the way it happened under the leadership of the Pharisees...yes, it has happened again..."Israel" now needs "atonement" for sins committed...again. "Unlawful words" that are taken or perceived as "blasphemous" in our time. Some even say scripturally-speaking "unlawful" words that are clearly against God, since I speak of another "Covenant" and another sacrifice needed to redeem "Israel." They say what I speak of and teach, is not a scriptural doctrine at all. -- 2 Tim. 2:15; 3:16, 17
I speak "Words" that are misconstrued...twisted, by the unlearned, "untaught" and "unsteady" of mankind, of "Israel." Those who would foolishly obscure my message and "twist" the scripture itself ... to "overturn the listener." -- 2 Cor. 12:2-4; 2 Peter 3:16; 2 Tim. 2:14
But Jesus spoke of this one ... my coming, the coming of this "man in union with Christ", by saying,
"...he will glorify me, because he would receive from what is mine and will declare it to you...he receives from what is mine and declares it to you." -- John 16:14, 15
But when he "declares it to you," O Israel...you will not "receive" him. You do not accept the fact that, "he receives from what belongs to Jesus," ...no, you do not receive that fact. -- See John 14:17; 16:14, 15
Actually, my ministry, "BRINGS GLORY" to Jesus. "That one will glorify me...", said Jesus. Therefore, if we are blessed to understand his "role", his mission toward spiritual "Israel," we will come to realize this. We will come to appreciate another facet of God's mental "brilliance", His Infinite Wisdom, His incomparable ability to look ahead, and make preparations for His people...centuries in the future, even before their existence as a people. His anticipation of this special circumstance, and special need for His people. God foresaw the "situation" that we would be facing today. And He made preparations for that particular "situation", in our day and time. And He made mention of it thru the "prophets of old time." God's "Hidden Wisdom" in the form of a "sacred secret,"...a "deep thing of God." -- 2 Cor. 12:2-4; John 16:14, 15; Romans 11:33; Acts 3:21; 1 Cor. 2:7, 10
We remember, Jesus was said to be a "blasphemer" because he said his mission came from God and he was "God's Son."
"...do you say to whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, "You blaspheme", because I said, I am God's Son?" -- John 10:36
Today, we know Jesus' words were true. Ahh yes, but back during Jesus' day, the Jewish leaders of the nation said "HE BLASPHEMED" by saying these words. They lacked knowledge, they were ignorant of God's Will for "Israel." They lacked "keen understanding" of God's Purposes for them. The WTS/GB has taken "the key of knowledge" from Israel...modern-day JWs as a nation. The "sheep" are "skinned and thrown about" by the WTS/G.B. The JWs as a spiritual nation, are left in a spiritually, ravished, impoverished condition, like Jesus described "Lazarus" of his day. -- Isa. 27:11; Amos 8:11, 12; Matt. 9:36; Luke 11:52; 16:20, 21
With many, when we hear something for the first time. When we hear it but don't understand it, when we are so thoroughly ignorant about a subject, many times...we attack! We attack, what we do not at first, understand. Like wild animals, beasts with no "reasoning ability" or spiritual discernment. We sometimes demonstrate ourselves to be "Animalistic", unspiritual. Unfortunately, for our times, a very deadly situation to be in, indeed! -- Acts 3:22-24; 17:2,3; Romans 12:1; James 3:15; 2 Peter 2:12, 13; Jude 10, 19
Still, you the reader, must remember those who disregard this "message", JWs in general in so doing, simply mimic the Jewish "world" of Jesus' day. Those who disregarded Jesus' message. JWs as a spiritual nation of today, are reacting the way Satan wishes, the real "ruler" of that world, ... they said the same thing about Jesus...and they are presently saying the same things about me. The Devil has got the "upper hand"...so far. He must be "cast out" of this "world," like he was during Jesus' day...just as Jesus said at John 12:31. But, how long is it going to take "Israel" to figure this out...I wonder. Hmmmmmmmm. -- Luke 10:18; John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11
So with those thoughts in mind, we see the "words" I speak are considered, "UNUTTERABLE," and "unlawful for a man to speak," ... blasphemous words against Christ...words spoken by this "MAN IN UNION WITH CHRIST", this "christian," that Paul spoke of. -- 2 Cor. 12:2-4
So...I am considered...a "blasphemer"...and my "teaching" is twisted, distorted, and lied upon...just like it was done to Jesus. -- John 5:18; 10:33-36
In most cases, after hearing my "message", many are compelled to totally "lie" about the content of my message...they feel compelled to "twist" it. In the process, my name is invariably, "cast down as wicked," as has been demonstrated many times on this Discussion Board and others. Still, it was exactly the same for Jesus, you remember. -- Matt. 5:11, 12; Luke 6:22, 23
No...I do not claim to be a "replacement" for Christ. Clearly, a "sinner" cannot "make himself equal" to a perfect, sin-free person, can he? Neither can I. However, didn't they say Jesus taught he was "equal to God"? ...hmmmm...So ...they say I teach "I'm equal to Jesus." A predictable falsehood. -- John 5:18
DOCTRINE OF "JUSTIFICATION" BRINGS ABOUT CLEANSING FROM SIN
However, the blood of Jesus, can give us a "guiltless" standing with God. And this is the basis of my claim to being a "scapegoat,"...the blood of Jesus makes such possible..."men are declared righteous by the blood of Jesus." . -- Matt. 12:7; Acts 13:38, 39; Romans 5:9, 16, 18
The Scriptures speak and teach of my unique situation:
Day of Atonement(s) Observance
Leviticus 16:10 -- shows the 2nd "goat" is "ATONED FOR" [cleansed of sin] by the blood of the first "goat," [Jesus].
Pentecost Celebration
"2 lambs" and 2 "loaves" waved...presented to Jehovah for Divine acceptance. -- Leviticus 23:19, 20
1. ANCIENT "ISRAEL" REDEEMED IN FIRST CENTURY
(a) 1st "lamb" waved = Jesus [lamb] and
(b) 1st "loaf" waved = first century "Israel" - spiritual nation with Covenant with God, "atonement" and "spiritual redemption" provided.
2. MODERN DAY "ISRAEL" (JWs) REDEEMED
(a) 2nd "lamb" waved = modern-day "lamb" of our times (cleansed by the blood of Jesus & offered to God) and
(b) 2nd "loaf" waved = modern-day "Israel" ... JWs spiritual nation who are need of "Covenant" with God, and "atonement," "spiritual "redemption."
With the present day United Nations situation facing all JWs, ... they are in dire need of "REDEMPTION"...the entire nation is in deep "Sin" with the Governing Body leading them into a "blasphemous" relationship with the United Nations...a "breaking of the Covenant" with God. They have "brought the foreigner" into the temple and profaned it, in God's eyes. (Writing articles like Sept. 8th, 1991 Awake magazine on United Nations...) -- Ezekiel 44:7
Even if the "sin" was "hidden" from the congregation in general...still the WHOLE NATION of JWs are "guilty" in God's eyes. The clandestine sins of the WTS/GB that were committed, in secret. God requires repentance on the spiritual nation's part. -- See Leviticus 4:3, 13
My book, "The Report" Volume I, was the first to mention this horrendous situation, where the 1991 Sept. Awake! magazine article was cited as "proof" of spiritual fallen condition of Governing Body of JWs. The article was presented as "proof" of what the future holds for the spiritual nation. The article was said to be the first of a string of articles to be written on the United Nations and the WTS/GB God-forbidden relationship between WTS/GB and UN organization. I printed the book, and put it in bookstores the east coast of US, and on a website for years...since 1994.
The article was cited as being "proof" of something that will occur, in the future. A bigger act of stumbling, a greater future spiritual "fall" for the entire JW organization. -- Daniel 11:30, 32
The quoted material, made back in 1994, from the publication "The Report" Volume I, on the Sept. 8th 1991 Awake! magazine article on the WTS/UN relationship, can be found on "watchtower.observer.org".
Also, this thread,
>> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7514&site=3#150513
MY CLAIMS
Jehovah's Witnesses are Modern-day "Israel" of our times because of "declaring the Name" of God and carrying it upon themselves, since the year of 1931...some 70 years. -- See "Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose" pages 125, 126.
Jehovah's Witnesses are in a Covenant with God, and are currently "breaking that Covenant." The JWs spiritual nation needs their sins, "atoned for." -- Ezekiel 16:59-63; 44:7
God sends a modern-day "Servant" with a "Covenant" to redeem the nation, just as he did in Jesus' day. -- Isa. 42:6; 49:8; Romans 11:26
I claim to be a A SINNER...washed clean by the blood of Jesus...thus a "christian"...a follower of Christ. -- 1 Cor. 6:11; Titus 3:5
I claim to be "sent" by Jesus Christ himself...a "witness-bearer" about that "Covenant" and redemption. -- John 14:26; 1 John 5:6,7
..."Sent by Jesus" BEFORE he comes with final retribution. The Bible shows, modern-day "Israel" of our times, must be spiritually "restored" BEFORE Jesus comes...they fall into "apostasy" in the last days, following the leadership of the Governing Body of JWs, the "Man of Lawlessness." -- Matt. 19:28; Acts 3:20, 21; 2 Thess. 2:3-12
The Bible says,
"Elijah" comes first, to "restore ALL THINGS." -- Matt. 17:10, 11
"Elijah comes BEFORE the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah..." -- Malachi 4:5
Elijah comes BEFORE Jesus comes...simple.
I claim to be the one, who is "not received by the world,"... even though I present "convincing evidence" of who I am. -- John 16:7,8
Still, I am not "received" by the world. This is because the world "knows nothing" of me ... its does not "behold me," or recognize the fact of my coming, and that it was clearly prophesied in scripture, that I would come to the Jewish "world." Thus, the Jewish "world", does not "know" me. For this, their lack of Bible understanding and total spiritual ignorance, they "pierce" me...the persecute me, as they did Jesus and the "prophets" before him. -- See Isa. 50:6; 53:3-5; Zech 12:10; Matt. 5:12; John 14:17; 15:20-25
I claim to be the mystery "chieftain," who is allowed to "eat bread in the presence of God,"...the only one...able to correctly intrepret the Bible and tell of the future...my "predictions" will prove it...there will be no doubt in the end. -- Ezekiel 44:1-3; John 16:13
I claim to be...the mystery "chieftain" of Ezekiel's mystery "temple"...who is a "sinner." -- Ezekiel 45:22
MDS
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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...
by hawkaw in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
MDS

Hi Max:
Glad to have you back!
...My point was, If you are at the top you can do many things with impunity, and without giving it a second thought as to propriety.
No doubt, this is the way the Governing Body feels...just like the Pharisees in Jesus' day. Complete "Satanic" Control...so much so, that "Satan" will have to be "cast out," or expelled from such a "demonized" group. But, this will not happen. Because they are the "Man of Lawlessness," unrevealed to many thus far. God will allow Satan to have more and more "control" over them...even allow Satan to them grant them, that's the Governing Body of JWs, "...every powerful work, lying signs, and portents." It is sure to happen. -- 2 Thess. 2:3-9
The "Satanic" control exhibited over this "world" [Greek: Kosmos, "an orderly arrangement"] calls for SUPERNATURAL HELP on God's part...an "expelling of Satan" from this "world"...a demonized "world" ... the "world" of JWs as a nation. Just like in Jesus' day. Satan has to be "cast out", of this demonized JW "world." We remember the book of Luke 8th chapter shows, appropriately the "spirits [demons] were made subject" to the apostles. This making the "spirits" [demons] "subject" to the apostles was necessary. Thus, this obvious, "Satanic" Demonic influence had to be addressed...must be address if any spiritual progress is to be made. Jehovah and Jesus knew this. Thus, the act of "expelling" demons became a lifelong "activity" of the apostles. -- See Luke 10:18-20; John 12:31.
And, that is precisely what Jesus' ministry, accomplished...the "judging" and "casting out" of Satan. Jesus made it a practice, to "expel" demons, during the course of his ministry, and allowed his disciples to do the same. Jesus gave his disciples "AUTHORITY OVER unclean spirits [demons]." Thus, the first century christians were completely free of any "Satanic" influence, at all. Satan, had been truly "cast out." Now, they could grow strong, spiritually. -- Matthew 8:16; 10:1; John 12:31; Acts 16:16-18
It is the same in our day. Satanic, Demonic influence must be addressed by all JWs, worldwide. Satan must be "cast out," again...from this "world." Supernatural help is needed to truly accomplish this. -- See Revelation 12:7-12.
And it will be accomplished, again...and the "birth of God's Kingdom" along with it. -- Isaiah 66:5-9
In the meantime...the "Man of Lawlessness" is busy...forcing the "birth" or separation of this "kingdom"...shortly to be "cut out of a mountain"...a Divine separation...a precious "stone"...the beginning of God's Kingdom. Shortly upon us. -- Daniel 2:34, 44, 45
The "Man of Lawlessness" is forcing the "situation"...this Godly action...to "cut this stone" from this sacred "mountain" ... like at Pentecost. -- 2 Thess. 2:3-12; Isaiah 66:5-9; Daniel 2:34, 44, 45
The "Transgression that causes Desolation" Identified -- Daniel 8:12, 13
Here is a quote that explains the entire problem, the "transgression" the GB/WTS committed 10 years ago, by using the Sept. 8, 1991 Awake magazine...and subsequent issues since that time. This is the "transgression" that brings on Jehovah's wrath..."desolation," and the need for Jesus' stern warning to "use discernment" and promptly "flee [modern-day Jerusalem]..." ... exit the WTS (aka, Babylon The Great, the "great city")! -- Ezekiel 44:6,7; Jer. 23:19, 20; Mark 13:14; Rev. 11:8; 18:2, 4
This insightful comment was made by "SeigsWife" on Sept. 30th, addressed to "Fred Hall" under the thread entitled "NGOS & DPI".
Please weight her words very, very carefully...
...The society is now allowing the Dept. of Public Information of the UN to DIRECT, in part, the content of their magazines. They have entered an AGREEMENT to USE their publications to promote the ideals of the UN. I thought that JEHOVAH was the one DIRECTING the content and ideals of these publications. If the UN, the wild beast, has now assumed this role, where does JEHOVAH fit in? Can JEHOVAH and the WILD BEAST fellowship in this way? Another point is that by agreeing to PROMOTE the UN and its philosophy, the WTS is now acting as a MOUTHPIECE FOR THE UN. Can they really be the mouthpiece for Jehovah AND the wild beast at the same time? Why do you think that a UN agnency is mentioned in some way in EVERY AWAKE magazine? It's because the WTS doesn't have the freedom NOT to mention them if they don't want to. It's because they have agreed to use these publications to do just that. Think, man, think. They are in the same classification with the UN as other churches in the world of false religion, BABYLON THE GREAT. How do you think that Babylon the Great actually RIDES the Wild Beast, if not as NGO's?
Her viewpoint is EXACTLY RIGHT...exactly the way Jehovah sees this entire problem.
Ezekiel 44:6,7 shows its a direct "act of rebellion" against God...ever since 1991.
It is "the transgression that CAUSES desolation." -- Daniel 8:12, 13
That means, brothers, just as Jesus said, its high time to "FLEE to the mountains..." Away from the WTS organization [Jerusalem]...lest we FEEL God's "wrath" upon us as it comes upon this wretched people and offensive spiritual "land." -- Jer. 30:23, 24; Matt. 24:15, 16; Luke 21:21-23
Remember: Its the use of these "publications" to uphold the UN, that's the problem...the publications that have previously, glorified and declared "His Great Name." Those who formerly, "boasted in His Name," even. And now, by relying upon the political nations for "security" and prosperity, they have effectively "renounced" this "Great Name" ...by saying, "we have no king but Caesar." Therefore, their "disgrace," is now complete. Now, God acts...He makes the "sun go down at highnoon" or "midday" for God's Name People...sudden spiritual "darkness" instantly upon JWs. A pathetic situation for those who were formerly privileged to "boast in His Name." -- Psalms 105:3; John 19:15
"And it must occur in that day is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, that I will make the SUN GO DOWN AT HIGH NOON, and I will cause darkness for the land ON A BRIGHT DAY." -- Amos 8:9
We are there, my friends...instant "darkness"..."on a bright day."
Jehovah has done this...to "Israel," His Name People. -- 2 Chron. 7:14
MDS
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Forgiving the Governing Body
by Derrick in
1. jw
2. friends
as a baptized jehovah's witness, i have been tested over the years by those very ones who claim they are entrusted with my soul.

i'll digress a moment to state that one strong theory that has deeply troubled me over the years, centers around their transformation over a century into a caricaturistic representation of christendom.

(refer definition of caricature at http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=caricature for clarification.).
MDS

The "Transgression that causes Desolation" Identified -- Daniel 8:12, 13
Here is a quote that explains the entire problem, the "transgression" the GB/WTS committed 10 years ago, by using the Sept. 8, 1991 Awake magazine...and subsequent issues since that time. This is the "transgression" that brings on Jehovah's wrath..."desolation," and the need for Jesus' stern warning to "use discernment" and promptly "flee [modern-day Jerusalem]..." ... aka, exit the WTS (aka, BTG)! -- Ezekiel 44:6,7; Jer. 23:19, 20; Mark 13:14; Rev. 18:2, 4
This insightful comment was made by "SeigsWife" on Sept. 30th, addressed to "Fred Hall" under the thread entitled "NGOS & DPI".
Please weight her words very, very carefully...
...The society is now allowing the Dept. of Public Information of the UN to DIRECT, in part, the content of their magazines. They have entered an AGREEMENT to USE their publications to promote the ideals of the UN. I thought that JEHOVAH was the one DIRECTING the content and ideals of these publications. If the UN, the wild beast, has now assumed this role, where does JEHOVAH fit in? Can JEHOVAH and the WILD BEAST fellowship in this way? Another point is that by agreeing to PROMOTE the UN and its philosophy, the WTS is now acting as a MOUTHPIECE FOR THE UN. Can they really be the mouthpiece for Jehovah AND the wild beast at the same time? Why do you think that a UN agnency is mentioned in some way in EVERY AWAKE magazine? It's because the WTS doesn't have the freedom NOT to mention them if they don't want to. It's because they have agreed to use these publications to do just that. Think, man, think. They are in the same classification with the UN as other churches in the world of false religion, BABYLON THE GREAT. How do you think that Babylon the Great actually RIDES the Wild Beast, if not as NGO's?
Her viewpoint is EXACTLY RIGHT...exactly the way Jehovah sees this entire problem.
Ezekiel 44:6,7 shows its a direct "act of rebellion" against God...ever since 1991.
It is "the transgression that CAUSES desolation." -- Daniel 8:12, 13
That means, brothers, just as Jesus said, its high time to "FLEE to the mountains..." Away from the WTS organization [Jerusalem]...lest we FEEL God's "wrath" upon us as it comes upon this wretched people and offensive spiritual "land." -- Jer. 30:23, 24; Matt. 24:15, 16; Luke 21:21-23
Remember: Its the use of these "publications" to uphold the UN, that's the problem...the publications that have previously, glorified and declared "His Great Name." Those who formerly, "boasted in His Name," even. And now, by relying upon the political nations for "security" and prosperity, they have effectively "renounced" this "Great Name" ...by saying, "we have no king but Caesar." Therefore, their "disgrace," is now complete. Now, God acts...He makes the "sun go down at highnoon" or "midday" for God's Name People...sudden spiritual "darkness" instantly upon JWs. A pathetic situation for those who were formerly privileged to "boast in His Name." -- Psalms 105:3; John 19:15
"And it must occur in that day is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, that I will make the SUN GO DOWN AT HIGH NOON, and I will cause darkness for the land ON A BRIGHT DAY." -- Amos 8:9
We are there, my friends...instant "darkness"..."on a bright day."
Jehovah has done this...to "Israel," His Name People. -- 2 Chron. 7:14
MDS
14
Ezekiel's Mystery "Chieftain"/Leader ...
by MDS in
1. watchtower
2. bible
we read at ezekiel 44:1-3 the following mysterious information about a future temple of god's making and blessing,.

"and he proceeded to bring me back by way of the gate of the sanctuary, the outer one facing east, and it was shut.

then jehovah said to me: "as regards this gate, shut is how it will continue.
MDS

PUBLISHED "OBSERVATIONS" MADE IN 1994 OF WTS/UNITED NATIONS FUTURE RELATIONSHIP
Comments by the Mystery "Chieftain" Based upon Article take from 1991 September 8th Awake! Magazine
To be sure, my personal, written "observations" concerning the WTS' present-day and future relationship with the United Nations Organization, after perusing the September 8th, 1991 Awake! magazine -- whether acknoweldged by individuals on this board or not, are still well documented...by the website (with more than 10,000 visitors before I closed it down) and the actual release of the book, "The Report" Volume I (1994), which ended up in bookstores up and down the east coast of the U.S, as well many parts of the earth, some remote places even.
There is no question, I have to be the only human being walking this planet that made such outlandish "observations" & "predictions" suggested by the peculiar posturings of the September 8, 1991 Awake! magazine.
Again, the only human being, a proven fact, that can say that he had the "guts", the "confidence" to boldly, brazenly, yes fearlessly "go out on the limb", and further say the WTS would do exactly as the printed publication suggested, namely the WTS/GB would CONTINUE TO WRITE the same kind of "writings" on the United Nations Organization. That's "continue to write" such like articles...in the years following the article's release of September 8th, 1991.
And as time would have it, this in the end proved to be a fact.
But, no one has even acknowledged that proven fact. What a shame...a pity...
I wonder why...
It is a proven fact, the WTS did indeed, keep on writing these kinds of articles about the United Nations Organization, well after 1994, much after I made the published statement...(some of my close associates know I actually made the statement, in written form, actually December 1991...some have this in writing.)
But hardly anyone noticed...
I however, did appreciate, at least someone, one "voice" mentioning that fact earlier, on this very thread.
In addition, in the publication, "The Report" Volume I, I also foretold exactly where this was all leading the spiritual "nation" of Jehovah's Witnesses, some 6 million strong, to...Daniel 11:32 and a unfriendly visit from the King of the North, via Daniel 11:40, 41...the scripture the GB/WTS continues to avoid explaining.
Added to that, in the publication called "The Report" Volume I, I clearly pointed out, this to be the "workings," the "trappings" of the "Man of Lawlessness" at work, taken from 2 Thess 2:3-12, leading all Jehovah's Witnesses to the brink of total disaster and utter, eternal destruction.
Is it prophetic...well...we must wait and see...
But if I were in some of your shoes, and someone, to my knowledge the ONLY PERSON on earth I know of, said all of the above, printed a book, put in bookstores, at least, its proveable some 7 years in advance (maybe 10), and said all of the above...I think I'd be listening. Particularly that part about, they would "continue to write such articles."
How would any human, back some 7 to 10 years ago, ... how would any human KNOW THAT!!!
...they would "continue to write such articles"...
How could a mere man, on earth...know that, I ask?
Nevertheless, in the end we'll have to agree, whether we "believe" now or later, whether we voluntarily "refrain" at present or not, the scripture says, we will in the end, know whether "...a prophet has been in our midst" or not. We will know. -- Ezekiel 2:5
And we will also know this fact, that Jehovah is still God...the "God of the inspired expressions of the prophets." -- Revelation 22:6
Therefore, we have to know, Divine "judgment" is coming upon those who profane that Great Name. Those who carry that Divine Name. Those who have "declared" that Great Name. Ever since, October 1931...for the past 70 Years.
Why?
Its been 70 years of carrying that Name for "Israel" [JWs]...that's why...70 years of "discipline" have passed.
The very ones, the spiritual "nation" that printed a special publication and distributed it to the world back in October 1931, embracing the Divine Name, and worse, "Declaring the Name" to the nations...back in October 1931. Exactly 70 years ago. -- See Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose page 126; 2 Chron. 7:14; Daniel 9:19; Psalms 105:1-3
To be sure, I'm made some big, whopping claims on this board, many, many, many times...
THE CLAIMS MADE BY THE WRITER OF "THE REPORT"
1) ...something about being a "scapegoat"...I believe. An "atoned for" goat that is, by the blood of Jesus and the act of "justification" on God's part...is how it happens. Thus, "declared guiltless" or "sinless" in God's Holy sight, by Jesus' blood and now used in a "sacrificial" capacity for "Israel"... (Lev. 14:48-53; Lev. 16:10; Romans 5:16, 18; Matt. 12:5; Acts 13:38, 39)
2) ...something about JWs as a nation, "BREAKING A COVENANT", and desperately needing to be "ATONED FOR" as a spiritual nation, ...about needing "ANOTHER" Covenant with God. -- Ezekiel 16:59-63; 44:7; Isaiah 42:6; 49:8
3) ...something about being a peculiar "manifestation of holy spirit," which "gives CONVINCING EVIDENCE to the world [spiritual nation, see Greek word: "Kosmos"/"world"/"orderly arrangement" Strong's Exhaustive Concordance]," for 7 Years...while on a "messianic" role but not "received by world." Yet, will be here on earth in "messianic-leader" capacity..."FOREVER." -- John 14:16, 17, 26; 16:8
4) ...something about "guiding into ALL TRUTH" and "declaring the future" to them (Israel/JWs) as a "sign" ... if they are willing...-- John 16:23
5) ...something about being a mystery "chieftain" in a future temple spoken of in Ezekiel 44:1-3, a "sinner", a descendant from Adam, while used in this special capacity...has spiritual "children." -- Ezekiel 45:22; 46;16
6) ...something about being a certain "Servant" spoken of mentioned in Isaiah 49:1-6...that was somewhat reluctant in accepting this assignment, totally different from the attitude expressed by Jesus Christ, who always delighted in doing his Father's will. -- Compare Isaiah 49:4 with Hebrews 10:7. You will see different original "attitudes" about the assignment.
7) ...and something about my "7-Year", much unheeded "ministry" coming to a distinct close, "late fall of 2001."
These and many more other "ridiculous" claims have been made by myself, publicly on this forum...
...ask around and see...
...I'm sure someone can provide the "threads" if anyone really wants to know..."desires to do God's Will...he will know..." -- John 7:17
..and oh yes, I still distribute the book.
To any others that may be interested, I can be contacted at:
[email protected]
MDS
PS: For reasons beyond my control, let all JWs, ex-JWs and even unbaptized "Bible Studies", or generally speaking, "Persons of Interest," "Return Visits", etc., etc. be notified that I will be completely "out of touch" and can not be reached nor contacted after Late Fall of 2001. That is, after late fall of 2001...the "festival of Dedication" as celebrated by the orthodox Jewish Faith. And then, 1 year and a few months will pass from that date, approximately around Nisan 1 of the year of 2003, ... I will "surface" again, with a "Special Arrangement" to answer questions from many of you about what has transpired over the last 7 Years or so. This will approximate, time-wise, the beginning of Daniel's last "week" of his "70-week" prophecy. (Daniel 9:24-27) At that time, a New "Special Arrangement" for answering "questions" and handling "inquiries" will be setup, based strictly upon the contents and instructions of Isaiah 11:10; 16:1-5; 21:11, 12.
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Ezekiel's Mystery "Chieftain"/Leader ...
by MDS in
1. watchtower
2. bible
we read at ezekiel 44:1-3 the following mysterious information about a future temple of god's making and blessing,.

"and he proceeded to bring me back by way of the gate of the sanctuary, the outer one facing east, and it was shut.

then jehovah said to me: "as regards this gate, shut is how it will continue.
MDS

THE IRREFUTABLE INDENTIFICATION MARK OF A "PROPHET"
Some have wondered,
...spiritual insight of the scriptures is great...but it is not so rare so as to be an identifier, a mark of distinction which provides irrefutable proof of God's direct hand on someone, it alone does not a prophet prove...
...but PREDICTIONS OF THE FUTURE are "irrefutable proof" of a "prophet in our midst." -- Ezekiel 2:5
Jesus, the greatest prophet who ever lived upon earth, past, present or future, said,
"From this moment on I am telling you BEFORE IT OCCURS, in order that WHEN IT DOES OCCUR you may believe that I am he." -- John 13:19
If someone can predict the future...there can be no question...this one IS FROM GOD, and is unquestionably...a "prophet." A "prophet" who perhaps at first, "has been in our midst," but was not at first recognized. -- Ezekiel 2:5
And this is what happened to Ancient Israel during the days of the "holy prophets of old time," and precisely what has happened for the spiritual nation of "Israel" of our day ... JWs as a nation. -- Acts 3:21
Jesus pointedly said:
"However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will DECLARE TO YOU THINGS COMING." -- John 16:13
Christians are to be informed, at some point in our times, about "the things coming," ... the future.
...the "spirit of truth" will accomplish this work for God...it,yes, "he," ... "proceeds from the Father." -- John 15:26
Today, the disciples of Christ, DO NOT know the future...at present. No one on this Discussion Board has come forth, and pointedly said, he "knew the future." He could PREDICT the future. No one on this Discussion Board. No one.
And it has been that way for many, many years now...around the world, earthwide.
No one, so far, has been able to successfully do this. No one, has been able to do it, ... repeatedly, over and over again, giving us the "time-frame" for certain important occurrences of bible prophecy, make the predictions, and have them all come true, with pin-point accuracy...as Jesus did during his day.
However, that is shortly going to change...for all disciples of Christ upon earth...for all people living upon the entire planet...this is shortly to change.
...we are fast approaching the day when the first mentioned above statement and viewpoint cannot be held true, any longer. The "details" must be provided...even though they will not be believed, when at first given to "Israel," ...still it will come true. -- Acts 13:40, 41
In my writings, under the name of "MDS", I personally have responded to questions raised by various persons frequenting JW Discussion boards over the years. I've been asked me a number of questions, about dates, when the "1,260 days" of prophesying of the "Two Witnesses" would begin. I have obliged such individuals by providing inquiring individuals with the actual the beginnings, time-frames and lengths of
(a) The "Measuring" Period of Revelation 11:1, which precedes
(b) The "1260 days" of prophesying of the Two Witnesses, and
(c) The "Trampling" period of "42 months" upon "Jerusalem," and
(d) The "3 1/2 days" of shame and disgrace for the "Two Witnesses"
each running approximately 3 1/2 years for each period, starting with Spring of the year of 1996 which begins the "Measuring" period of Revelation 11:1...the Fall of 1999 for beginning of "1260 days" of "prophesying" of Two Witnesses...next period, the Spring of the year of 2003 starts the "trampling of Jerusalem", and finally, Fall of 2006 for the beginning of the "3 1/2 days" of death and shame of the "Two Witnesses," inflicted by the "Small Horn" of Daniel 8:23.
I have provided the "details"...as Acts 13:40, 41 shows.
...Further, I also pointed forward to the date of October 7, 2001 which marks 70 years of "Declaring the Name" of God (Psalms 105:1-3) for modern-day "Israel," after which Jehovah God carries out whats outlined in,
Isaiah 19:2-4 where He, Himself, would bring about "break" in the brotherhood and harmony of God's Name People, JWs as a nation. It is Jehovah God, who is to bring total "chaos" ...a "break in the brotherhood," spoken of in Zechariah 11:14 among JWs as a nation.
In Isaiah 19:2-4, it is Jehovah God that says, His Name People, have become..."Egyptians", in His sight. Jehovah is the One, that will set or "goad"..."Egyptian against Egyptian", in the kingdom halls of JWs worldwide...after the date of October 7, 2001. Yes, the "love of the greater number," will indeed, "cool off." -- Matthew 24:12
The JWs as a spiritual nation are, spiritually speaking to God, foreigners to Him, spiritual "Egyptians" to God. And thus, they will be treated as such, as one "who do not bear the Name of God," as Isaiah 63:18, 19 shows.
Isaiah 19:2-4 also speaks of the "hard master," the King of the North, the "small horn", and his coming to the "land of decoration" of Daniel 11:40, 41. His rise to power is mentioned for us at,
Daniel 8:23 shows his "intrigue," the "master of intrigue," according to the NIV. It tells us about his move or ascension to power, TIMEWISE exactly as the spiritual "rebels", goes off and "works toward a completion," ... all at the same time...occurring around the same time, October of 2001.
So, before all of this happens, in conjuction with all of these horrific events and happenings, Jehovah God, sends us help.
THE "RETURN OF CHRIST" AND WHY "ELIJAH COMES FIRST"
The Bible reveals, Jehovah "Sends" the Messianic Manifestation of the "Holy Spirit," ... the personification of the "Holy Spirit," in the person of the Mystery "Chieftain," that the "world does not behold, nor knows" nothing of "its" coming, so..."does not receive" the "spirit of the truth," ... this special "manifestation of truth." The "world," knows nothing about his coming. -- John 14:17
The "world" knows nothing of, the one spoken of in Ezekiel 44:1-3...the "mystery" Chieftain.
Thus far on this Discussion Board, no one has come forward and presented any "evidence" to the contrary, any differing viewpoint, on this most intriguing subject...that is the "Mystery Chieftain," ... who is he?
Yes...Who is he?
...we do not have a answer, do we?
If not, then,
Please carefully consider John 14:16, 17 and 26.
What do we read there?
Didn't Jesus promised us that he would send his disciples, "ANOTHER HELPER?"
Didn't Jesus say he would "send him in his Name," ... send him in the "name of Jesus?"
Didn't Jesus say, "he," the spirit of truth, would "teach us ALL THINGS," and would "be with" us, the disciples of Christ, "forever" ... He would be with the disciples of Christ, FOREVER...isn't that what it said?
How do we explain that?
Also, didn't Jesus say the "world" would refuse to "receive him," because they do not "know him?" -- John 14:17
Why does not the "world," ... "know him?"
How do we explain that?
Jesus again said,
...this one, would "bring back to your minds all the teachings" of Jesus? -- John 14:26
How is this accomplished...how does "he" do this?
Is it because, he would explain the parables and other teachings of Jesus...something no one has explained before...is that possible?
"...he would declare ALL THINGS to us openly." -- John 4:25
Just as we would expect of a "Messiah." -- John 13:19
In this way, Jesus "came with the blood and the water," ... and later, Jesus would send the "spirit," or "the truth", in his name. The "spirit of truth," would ALSO give "testimony," would also give "witness," too...and these THREE, the "water," & the "blood," [which both was "brought by Jesus" or "came with Jesus"] and the "spirit," [which was sent by Jesus, "in the name of Jesus" as a "christian" follower] would be in total "agreement," .. "TOTAL AGREEMENT," total harmony, in giving their combined "witness." The three great "WITNESS-BEARERS", ... the "water," the "blood," and the "spirit," 2 brought by Jesus, and 1 "sent" by Jesus. -- 1 John 5:6-8; John 15:26
We must remember, still, Jesus is still the primary figure here, in this all-important prophetic drama. That's why it has Jehovah's complete backing. Thus, the "spirit of truth," is actually "from the Father"...yes, "he proceeds from the Father." -- John 15:26
...because he is a "man in christ,"... a "christian." The "man in christ" who was "transferred to the third heaven," ... "paradise," and "heard words that are not permissible to speak" to other humans..."unlawful words," sacred secrets...which will remain such...until it is time for God to have them "revealed" to "Israel." Yes, and that time has now arrived! -- 2 Corinthians 12:2-5
The Bible specifically says about JESUS' RETURN...
"...and that he may send forth the Christ appointed for you, Jesus WHOM HEAVEN, INDEED, MUST HOLD WITHIN ITSELF UNTIL THE TIMES OF RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old time." -- Acts 3:20, 21
Why does the Bible clearly say,
"...Jesus, whom heaven indeed must HOLD WITHIN ITSELF UNTIL the times of restoration...heaven must hold within itself..."... why?
...why?
Why is "Jesus" to be "held within heaven itself," ... until...until...until... "the times of restoration OF ALL THINGS!
Why?
This is because, Jesus is a "judge", with the "twelve apostles", in heaven, during the Great Spiritual "RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS" upon earth.
Matthew 19:28 shows this. It shows, Jesus is in heaven, "judging the twelve tribes of Israel," during the "re-generation," ... during the Great "PALINGENSIS," the "REBIRTH" of "Israel,"....Jesus is in heaven during this time with his twelve apostles, sitting upon thrones...judging ...during "Israel's" spiritual "rebirth."
Thus, by necessity, then, "Elijah" must come "first."
This is why, the scriptures, yes, Jesus said,
"...Elijah MUST COME FIRST..." -- Matthew 17:10, 11
Jesus said, "Elijah," would come "first," "first," "first," and "RESTORE ALL THINGS."
Jesus knew all about this...this "first", preceding "coming" of "Elijah," the one who would spiritually-speaking, "RESTORE ALL THINGS" for spiritual "Israel." -- Matthew 17:10, 11
Jesus himself said he would come..."First"..."First," ..."First," before the "RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS," in fact would be the chief one who "would restores all things," this "Elijah," I speak of.
The prophet "Malachi" speaks of "Elijah,"...his "coming before," ...before what great occurrence?
"Elijah must come first before...the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah God," so says, Malachi 4:5
So, ... when we speak of the "return of Christ,"...but how much do we really know about the "return of Jesus,"...
...how much do you know about it...?
...I ask...
MDS
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United Nations Getting A Little On The Side...
by messenger in
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i find it interesting the new found love the wt appears to have for the un.

in the two latest articles, july 22, awake and august 1, wt, they make reference to the good policies of the un and it's universal declaration of human rights.

as my memory serves, the harlot represents babylon the great (aka, false religion, aka, all religion except jw's) that commits fornication with the wild beast (aka, un representing all kingdoms of the earth) does this bring on a "new light" adjustment in wt doctrine?
MDS

Hi "TweetieBird":
If I am not mistaken, I think their website got shut down, by whom I don't know.
"The Report" Website "got shut down" by yours truly, me.
I feel I do not need it anymore...the website that is.
Thanks, "TweetieBird" for your comments above. I really do appreciate them.
TO ALL OTHERS READING THIS THREAD:
To be sure, my personal, written "observations" concerning the WTS' present-day and future relationship with the United Nations Organization, after perusing the September 8th, 1991 Awake! magazine -- whether acknoweldged by individuals on this board or not, are still well documented...by the website (with more than 10,000 visitors before I closed it down) and the actual release of the book, "The Report" Volume I (1994), which ended up in bookstores up and down the east coast of the U.S, as well many parts of the earth, some remote places even.
There is no question, I have to be the only human being walking this planet that made such outlandish "observations" & "predictions" suggested by the peculiar posturings of the September 8, 1991 Awake! magazine.
Again, the only human being, a proven fact, that can say that he had the "guts", the "confidence" to boldly, brazenly, yes fearlessly "go out on the limb", and further say the WTS would do exactly as the printed publication suggested, namely the WTS/GB would CONTINUE TO WRITE the same kind of "writings" on the United Nations Organization. That's "continue to write" such like articles...in the years following the article's release of September 8th, 1991.
And as time would have it, this in the end proved to be a fact.
But, no one has even acknowledged that proven fact. What a shame...a pity...
I wonder why...
It is a proven fact, the WTS did indeed, keep on writing these kinds of articles about the United Nations Organization, well after 1994, much after I made the published statement...(some of my close associates know I actually made the statement, in written form, actually December 1991...some have this in writing.)
But hardly anyone noticed...
I however, did appreciate, at least someone, one "voice" mentioning that fact earlier, on this very thread.
In addition, in the publication, "The Report" Volume I, I also foretold exactly where this was all leading the spiritual "nation" of Jehovah's Witnesses, some 6 million strong, to...Daniel 11:32 and a unfriendly visit from the King of the North, via Daniel 11:40, 41...the scripture "You Know" and & WTS continues to avoid explaining.
Added to that, in the publication called "The Report" Volume I, I clearly pointed out, this to be the "workings," the "trappings" of the "Man of Lawlessness" at work, taken from 2 Thess 2:3-12, leading all Jehovah's Witnesses to the brink of total disaster and utter, eternal destruction.
Is it prophetic...well...we must wait and see...
But if I were in some of your shoes, and someone, to my knowledge the ONLY PERSON on earth I know of, said all of the above, printed a book, put in bookstores, at least, its proveable some 7 years in advance (maybe 10), and said all of the above...I think I'd be listening. Particularly that part about, they would "continue to write such articles."
I mean, how would any human, back some 7 to 10 years ago, ... how would any human KNOW THAT!!!
...they would "continue to write such articles"...
...come on... you have got to be joking...
How could a mere man, on earth...know that, I ask?
Nevertheless, I'll tell you this, whether we "believe" or "refrain,"..."...a prophet..."...well, you know... -- Ezekiel 2:5
And we also know, Jehovah is still God...the "God of the prophetic utterances." -- Revelation 22:6
Therefore, we have to know, Divine "judgment" is coming for the ones who profane and carry that Divine Name..."Jehovah"...God's Name ...after October 7, 2001.
Why?
Its been 70 years of carrying that Name for "Israel" [JWs]...that's why...70 years of "discipline" have passed.
The very ones, the spiritual "nation" that printed a special publication and distributed it to the world back in October 1931, embracing the Divine Name, and worse, "Declaring the Name" to the nations...back in October 1931. Exactly 70 years ago. -- See Jehovah's Witnesses In The Divine Purpose page 126; 2 Chron. 7:14; Daniel 9:19; Psalms 105:1-3
To be sure, I'm made some big, whopping claims on this board, many, many, many times...
THE CLAIMS MADE BY THE WRITER OF "THE REPORT"
1) ...something about being a "scapegoat"...I believe. An "atoned for" goat that is, by the blood of Jesus and the act of "justification" on God's part...is how it happens. Thus, "declared guiltless" or "sinless" in God's Holy sight, by Jesus' blood and now used in a "sacrificial" capacity for "Israel"... (Lev. 14:48-53; Lev. 16:10; Romans 5:16, 18; Matt. 12:5; Acts 13:38, 39)
2) ...something about JWs as a nation, "BREAKING A COVENANT", and desperately needing to be "ATONED FOR" as a spiritual nation, ...about needing "ANOTHER" Covenant with God. -- Ezekiel 16:59-63; 44:7; Isaiah 42:6; 49:8
3) ...something about being a peculiar "manifestation of holy spirit," which "gives CONVINCING EVIDENCE to the world [spiritual nation, see Greek word: "Kosmos"/"world"/"orderly arrangement" Strong's Exhaustive Concordance]," for 7 Years...while on a "messianic" role but not "received by world." Yet, will be here on earth in "messianic-leader" capacity..."FOREVER." -- John 14:16, 17, 26; 16:8
4) ...something about "guiding into ALL TRUTH" and "declaring the future" to them (Israel/JWs) as a "sign" ... if they are willing...-- John 16:23
5) ...something about being a mystery "chieftain" in a future temple spoken of in Ezekiel 44:1-3, a "sinner", a descendant from Adam, while used in this special capacity...has spiritual "children." -- Ezekiel 45:22; 46;16
6) ...something about being a certain "Servant" spoken of mentioned in Isaiah 49:1-6...that was somewhat reluctant in accepting this assignment, totally different from the attitude expressed by Jesus Christ, who always delighted in doing his Father's will. -- Compare Isaiah 49:4 with Hebrews 10:7. You will see different original "attitudes" about the assignment.
7) ...and something about my "7-Year", much unheeded "ministry" coming to a distinct close, "late fall of 2001."
These and many more other "ridiculous" claims have been made by myself, publicly on this forum...
...ask around and see...
...I'm sure someone can provide the "threads" if anyone really wants to know..."desires to do God's Will...he will know..." -- John 7:17
..and oh yes, I still distribute the book.
To any others that may be interested, I can be contacted at:
[email protected]
MDS(EMC on H2O)
PS: For reasons beyond my control, let all JWs, ex-JWs and even unbaptized "Bible Studies", or generally speaking, "Persons of Interest," "Return Visits", etc., etc. be notified that I will be completely "out of touch" and can not be reached nor contacted after Late Fall of 2001. That is, after late fall of 2001...the "festival of Dedication" as celebrated by the orthodox Jewish Faith. And then, 1 year and a few months will pass from that date, approximately around Nisan 1 of the year of 2003, ... I will "surface" again, with a "Special Arrangement" to answer questions from many of you about what has transpired over the last 7 Years or so. This will approximate, time-wise, the beginning of Daniel's last "week" of his "70-week" prophecy. At that time, a New "Special Arrangement" for answering "questions" and handling "inquiries" will be setup, based strictly upon the contents and instructions of Isaiah 11:10; 16:1-5; 21:11, 12.
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Holiness, United Nations, JW Anointed & &am...
by MDS in
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and he that sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because i always do the things pleasing to him.

however, did you notice something...something intimated.. yes, jesus intimated, that jehovah god, the holy one, would even abandon him, if ever, this sinless, perfect man, should not always do the things pleasing to god almighty.

-- james 3:15, 16. so, then, what about the jw organization of spiritual anointed ones, ...since the fateful year of 1991?
MDS

JEHOVAH’S HOLINESS, UNITED NATIONS, & “YOU KNOW” – AN "ANOINTED" DILEMMA"
“For Jehovah your God is walking about within your camp [Israel] to deliver you and to abandon your enemies to you; and YOUR CAMP MUST PROVE TO BE HOLY, THAT HE MAY SEE NOTHING INDECENT IN YOU AND CERTAINLY TURN AWAY FROM ACCOMPANYING YOU.” – Deuteronomy 23:14
A very, very, very powerful scripture…tells us a lot about Jehovah God, the Supreme, Holy One…and Jesus Christ, His Holy Son.
“…Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah God, the Almighty, …” – Revelation 4:8
Jehovah God is so holy, so holy that Jesus Christ even said of him,
“And he that sent me is with me; HE DID NOT ABANDON ME TO MYSELF, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” – John 8:29
So there we have it, there is the all-important prerequisite.
“...I always do the things pleasing to him.”
Yes, Jesus was perfect. He “always,” “always did the things pleasing” to his heavenly father. However, did you notice something...something intimated.
Yes, Jesus intimated, that Jehovah God, the HOLY ONE, would even “abandon him,” if ever, this sinless, perfect man, should NOT “ALWAYS” do the things “pleasing” to God Almighty. He would be “abandoned”, as Jesus intimated, as Adam was, the only other perfect man, who eventually succumbed to the trappings of Satan, and fell into sin.
But happily we know, Jesus, Jesus was different. Jesus “always did the things pleasing” to His Holy God, His Holy Father. That’s why And for that stand, Jesus said, the Holy Father, WOULD NOT “ABANDON” Him…that’s why. Jesus said He was, "My Father and Your Father, My God and Your God."-- John 20:17
As we know, from reading Deuteronomy 23:14 and other related verses, as well as any novice of scripture too knows, Jehovah God, requires, “holiness” in conduct...especially, from all of His ANOINTED SONS…those who profess to be in a HOLY RELATIONSHIP with him…an anointed Covenant Relationship as “adopted” spiritual “sons” of God. “They must be “holy,” the scriptures say, “just as He is holy.”
“But, in accord with the HOLY ONE who called you, all your conduct, because it is written: “You must be holy, because I am holy.” – 1 Peter 1:15, 16
For all “anointed” followers of Christ, God’s Word says,
“and EVERYONE who has this hope set upon him [heavenly hope, anointed ones] purifies himself just as that One [Jehovah] is pure.” – 1 John 3:3
Therefore, it should not surprise us, yes, should be rightly expected, that Jehovah's Spirit DOES NOT, nor could not, Dwell In an "UNCLEAN" spiritual Place, in an UNCLEAN spiritual environment, is this not so? -- James 3:15, 16
So, then, what about the JW Organization of spiritual “anointed” ones, ...since the fateful year of 1991?
The entire 3rd chapter of the book of James sheds much light upon this fact. The spirit of God, does not work in an UNSAVORY, UNCLEAN enrivonment…period.
So, the JW Organization…What about them? … Since 1991…
As I recall, we remember the wonderfully endowed, WTS apologist, the agile spiritual prognosticator for the WTS, “You Know” has said that he was, I do believe, "anointed" within the last 7 years or so...correct?
I think someone can find that post.
But then, again, I believe, “You Know” will honestly admit that statement is true?
Therefore, can “You Know”, nor any other JWs, anointed or otherwise, honestly explain to this Discussion board, how the following is possible?
QUESTIONS FOR THE “HOLY ANOINTED” AMONG JW ORGANIZATION, SINCE THE FATEFUL YEAR OF 1991…THE YEAR THE G.B/WTS BECAME A “NGO” FOR THE UNITED NATIONS ORGANIZATION (THE “DISGUSTING THING/ABOMINATION” OF THE BOOK OF DANIEL)
If the WTS/G.B. has become United Nations NGO, since 1991...and the Holy God Jehovah & Holy Son, Jesus are fully aware of this situation, in detail, then…
1) Why would Jehovah and Jesus "pour out" holy spirit, that’s HOLY SPIRIT, and anoint someone as a spiritual "son of God," SINCE THAT YEAR – since 1991?
Why on earth, would they do this?
ANOTHER LOOK AT DEUTERONOMY 23:14
In harmony with Deuteronomy 23:14 quoted above, we are reminded that first century christians were pulled out, that’s PULLED OUT… of the apostate nation of "Israel" and given a CLEAN START…a "New Covenant", a New LAW, and then, and only then...promptly "anointed" with Holy Spirit, within a safe and clean spiritual environment. True?
Is this not so?
Therefore, based upon Deuteronomy 23:14,
Why, ohhh, why, would the HOLY GOD, Jehovah, “anoint” ANYONE in the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses…why, ohh, why…since the FATEFUL YEAR of 1991…why?
An incredible thought…that the Holy God, we have read about in the Holy Scriptures…would “anoint” someone like “You Know,” since the fateful year of 1991? (He he diiiddddd say he was “anointed” 7 years ago.)
Why…ohhh…why, we must ask…we are truly compelled to ask?
Why?
Answer: Anyone with half a brain, that reads the Bible at all, knows the answer is an EMPHATIC “NO!” to the above question. Jehovah and Jesus would NOT do no such thing!
“You Know” is finished…when you answer that question. (I couldn't for the life of me, from this point on, understand why anyone on this board would argue endlessly, over such "issues," who calls everyone a "filthy apostate,"...when he himself, is the true spiritual "rebel" of God, unless of course to accept a FULL & PUBLIC APOLOGY, a sincere plea for mercy God, and genuine efforts and demonstration of repentance on his part...that would be a "start.")
I feel at this moment, someone “else” from WTS land, then, must take up the title and throne, of “Chief” Prognosticator” for the G.B./WTS, is this not so?
I think so…
But, let’s assume the UNFATHOMABLE…the UNTHINKABLE. Let’s assume for the sake of argument only, that Jehovah God “anointed” someone, anyone, among Jehovah’s Witnesses, since 1991…
Then, the next logical question would be,
2) …is the United Nations…then…the “Disgusting Thing”, the “Abomination” of Daniel’s prophecy…in God’s Mind?
…Jehovah & Jesus?
…Is this so?
If Jehovah has been carrying the “unction” process on, business as usual, yes continuing to “anoint” people within the JW Organization, since 1991…my God, then its clear…the United Nations cannot be, in any way, shape or form…the “Disgusting Thing.”
God has spoken!!!
…He has acted in our behalf and removed all doubt…isn’t that right?
The United Nation Organization, then, is okay...it is not the "Disgusting Thing," the Horrible "Abomination" that Daniel speaks of...
But, now we have a new problem...
Back to the WTS…
3) How did the WTS/G.B. teach, yes, teach such a horrible wrong...and for so many, many years...since 1921...that's 80 years!
How could they have done such a thing?
...for 80 years!
Go figure...
And another question,
4) If the WTS/GB decided to become a United Nations NGO, then, why ohh why…is the WTS continually telling people, as is demonstrated in their RECENT RELEASES, the Daniel book, and the Isaiah book, that the United Nations is still, to be considered the “Disgusting Thing” and “Abomination” of Daniel’s prophecy…when they themselves became United Nations NGO’s back in 1991?
Why are they doing this?
As recent, as the 1999 Watchtowers, the Daniel book, the Isaiah books (I don’t think they merit mentioning the actual names of the “crappy” publications, we will just say the latest Daniel & Isaiah books.)…the WTS/GB continually refers to and vividly describes the United Nations Organization as horrible entities.
And, the WTS/G.B. also further continues to berate and condemn the Churches of Christendom who support them, as filthy spiritual “apostates,” … the way “You Know” keeps calling everyone on this board who opposes him…you know, us “filthy apostates”…
I mean, why call somebody a filthy apostate, when you are doing the same thing, namely becoming a NGO, for the last 10 years, and giving visible support yourself?
Why do this?
Isn’t this what we call a BONIFIDE “HYPOCRITE!”….is that the right word here?
FACT: Aren't the Churches of Christendom, at least, MORE CONSISTENT in this case...they support the United Nations because...because they do not believe, nor teach, this entity is the "Disgusting Thing" nor "Abomination" of the book of Daniel.
Well, that makes sense!
Horray for the Churches of Christendom, on that one!
So, why is the WTS/GB still teaching, yes knowingly teaching something about the United Nations in their publications, something terribly bad, to the flock of JW earthwide, and CLANDESTINELY, underhandedly, supporting the very organization they are condemning?
Didn't Paul say "christians" don't do things like that? "Christians have RENOUNCED" such "underhanded" things...right? -- See 2 Corinthians 4:2
Man, Jehovah’s Witnesses really have something to think about here.
But this isn't all.
Isn’t it true that since 1991, the "anointed" spiritual "sons" and F&DS class using the Divine instrument and mouthpiece apparatus, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, prayerfully and willingly decided to become "NGO's" for the United Nations, and are pleased to have themselves included and listed with the many "church" organizations of Babylon the Great on that enlightening list of "NGOs" on the United Nations website,
isn't that true...
…well we must ask ourselves,
Does this mean the "Disgusting Thing" & "Abomination" of Daniel's prophecy is NO LONGER to be considered nor finds fulfillment in the personage of, the “League of Nations/United Nations”, identified by Judge Rutherford in 1921? This has been the position of the Holy “Anointed Sons of God” since the year of 1921, has it not? Some 80 years.
CHURCHES OF CHRISTENDOM -- RIGHT OR WRONG?
But, the churches of Christendom, disagreed with the WTS…they did not say the United Nations, was this spiritual entity of Daniel’s prophecy? They did not take this stand?
But the Holy Sons of God, the “anointed” within the JW Organization…did…isn’t that so?
Well...we have a new problem...a new "responsibility"...
Remember … the famous Hollywood Attorney Johnny Cochran. He said,
“if it doesn’t fit, , then, we must Acquit…”
So then, isnt' the WTS/G.B., really saying by "their actions" of secretly becoming "NGOs" for the United Nations Organization, aren't they intimating something profound here…about the churches of christendom and their particular stand on the “United Nations”, as the “Disgusting/Abomination”?
...aren't they?
...the Churches of Christendom, HAVE NOT SINNED in this "support"of the Beast...they have not gotten the "Mark of the Beast", the sin where there is NO FORGIVENESS, spoken of in Revelation 14:11. I do believe we all remember that particular scripture...the infamous "Mark of the Beast" that the Churches of Christendom have been accused of getting.
Yes, we must “ACQUIT”, yes, “acquit” the churches of Christendom of such an offense as claimed…the “mark of the beast”, visible support the “beast”…right?
Again, here is how it works,
“You Know,” said he was “anointed” within the last 10 years…7 years to be exact.
So, that means he was “anointed” by the Holy One, Jehovah God, DURING THE TIME, the JW Organization’s “anointed” F&DS (as a class) were carrying on the illicit “affair” of spiritual adultery with the “United Nations”, as he understand its…right? This is what JWs are teaching, even as we speak...from door-to-door, right?
But…”You Know” and anointed “company” didn’t know it…
Still no accuse…Romans 8:14-16, Ephesian 4:30…says he “should have been notified,” … he’s “anointed”…right?
BEING "NOTIFIED" BY JAH & THE SEPT. 8TH AWAKE ARTICLE -- SURE WOULD HAVE HELPED
Even, with the release of the “September 8th, 1991 Awake!” magazine article, when it came out…the revealing article about the “United Nations,” … the “anointed” in the JW Organization, should have “taken note” of it…at least, take note of it…at least!
Afterall, the "spirit leads them as sons," right? At least, that's what supposed to happen, anyway. -- Romans 8:14-16
But, “You Know” was totally in the dark, wasn't he. Think...wasn't he? Yes he was. He, as was the rest of his “anointed” brothers up at the kingdom hall…even worldwide…isn’t that so?
Why were they NOT "notified" by Jehovah God, the "anointed" sons of God?
Why?
What will the "anointed" say for themselves now?
Can they really give "proof" of their claim, to the world at large...no they can not!
They are clearly, NOT ANOINTED...pure and simple.
Right now, as we speak, the "anointed" in your particular congregations, worldwide are preaching and teaching, the "anointed" among JW Organization STILL TEACHING, the "League of Nations/United Nations Organization to be the "Disgusting Thing" & "Abomination" of Daniel's prophecy?
They are teaching that now...now!
So, then -- why didn't the "spirit of God," “GREATLY GRIEVE THEM,” as Ephesians. 4:30 shows?
Why does not our Great and Holy God, Jehovah and His Cherished, Blessed Son, not reveal ... this Dastardly, Nefarious DEED of spiritual fornication the Governing Body and Staff have clearly and clandestinely committed?
Jehovah and Jesus don't reveal it...for God’s sake!
What could be worst than that?
Nothing!
It must be consider terribly, most comparable to constructing the “Golden Calf” incident of Moses day…is it not?
Surely, God’s spirit would have notified the “anointed”, ever since that fateful year of 1991, would it not?
Does not the “spirit of God, lead the sons of God," AT ALL, as Romans 8:14-16 says?
Then, why didn't that irrepressible spirit, the HOLY SPIRIT, yes, NOTIFY the "anointed" sons of God back in 1991, that this terrible, terrible deed had been committed in 1991, thus allowing them SUFFUCIENT TIME to promptly DISFELLOWSHIP the entire WTS Staff & Governing Body, all who had prior knowledge of this horrendous deed?
Why didn't it!
You tell me...
Isn’t this the way the Holy Spirit works, … shows the elders where the spiritual “infraction” has been committed, so that they can “act” and help “keep the congregation clean"…the whole JW Organization…left to “uncleanness” for 10 years!
Spiritual Adultery!
Come on…now…how can anyone believe that.
…How can any “elder” believe that…based upon what he has been taught, in the KM Manuals…
I was an elder for many, many years my friend…I know what the WTS teaches on this matter, and what’s taught in the Elders Manuals…I know.
And there are lots, and lots of other “elders,” and former “elders”…that know too.
So, how come, the “anointed” were not, Notified.
You tell me...
Think: If the "anointed" brotherhood, and "great crowd"too, had been notified...then... a new possibility would have emerged…it would have been possible now for the brothers to “react”, and think. To “respond.” A time to show their “zeal” for truth and righteousness.
“For, look! This very thing, your being saddened in a godly way, what great earnestness it produced in you, yes, clearing of yourselves, yes, indignation, yes, fear, yes, longing, yes, zeal, yes, righting of the wrong! In every respect you demonstrated yourselves to be chaste in this matter.” – 2 Corinthians 7:11
Yes, if the Holy God had acted, the JW Organization, the “anointed Sons of God,” would have time to react, to “clear themselves,” …yes show “indignation,” show Godly “fear,” yes “longing,” yes “zeal” for God and His Holy Name!
Yes, a time for the brotherhood to make the “decision” …the most wonderful “decision” of them all…to disfellowship the Governing Body and entire filthy apostate WT “Staff” of Jehovah’s Witnesses, for once and all!
Think about it.
"THE BEAST THAT WAS, BUT IS NOT, AND YET IS? -- Revelation 17:8
No, we can't decide...can we...JWs worldwide.
JWs don't know if the United Nations is the "Disgusting Thing," the "beast that was...but is not...and yet is" no more than the tree you see standing out in your front lawn..they cannot do... Fitting title I think, that great "beastly" title of Revelation 17:8. (smile)
They are truthfully, complete idiots...spiritually speaking. No question. ... "You Know" for instance.
Yes, if the United Nations is or is not the “Disgusting Thing” – makes no different, no matter which way the thing goes...still the JWs need to disfellowship those “bums-at-bethel” aka G.B. members…because they kept on with this nonsense, for 10 years, unbeknowst to the brotherhood…worldwide…
…the bums have to go…no excuses…
This is the LEAST JWs as a congregation, worldwide, can do…now…that they know the WHOLE STORY…the least they can do...the least.
But this isn't going to happen…no, no, no, …this isn’t going to happen either…we all know this...
And Jehovah knows this too…
Hmmmmm....
Our God, is no fool...believe me. (as some have intimated on this board from time to time...you know who you are.)
No, but Jehovah knows all…and in His Infinite wisdom, He's known all along...
...the appropriate thing to do, IS NOT TO REVEAL it…that's right, NOT TO REVEAL IT, to JWs as a spiritual nation, ...
But..."WHY...WHY," you say.."Why?"
Well...that's because to Jehovah & Jesus, Jehovah's Witnesses as a spiritual nation,
...are themselves the REAL “FILTHY APOSTATES” all along…and anyone who supports them too…anyone who can “approvingly” look upon this spiritual fiasco, this spiritual disaster approvingly…are “filthy” in Jehovah and Jesus’ sight…
...Makes a lot of sense to me…
Now what do we do, ohhh, Jehovah's Witnesses, some 6 million strong..now what do you do?
You are in a "pickle" now, as Grandma used to say...
DO THE RIGHT THING?...NOPE!
Here is our "chance."
Do we, go ahead and finally, finally, finally, admit…we were totally wrong on the “Disgusting Thing,” and rightfully and humbly give a,
(a) WRITTEN RETRACTION TO THE CHURCHES OF CHRISTENDOM! A printed document, that could be given out, door-to-door, a confession of wrongness and sin on our parts as a spiritual nation…printed up for the brotherhood to willingly and humbly DISTRIBUTE for once and all, yes, Go now, yes, door-to-door and admit our SIN here...confess our spiritual nation's sin.
If we did, the document then becomes a,

(b) PUBLIC APOLOGY to all the churches of Christendom, whom the WTS/G.B. publicly condemned, since the year of 1921, some 80 years now running for giving “support” to the “League of Nations/United Nations?”
We just admit the United Nations Organization, IS NOT the "Disgusting Thing," the "Abomination", the image of the "beast," as we taught.
And we admit, we were wrong for accusing the Churches of Christendom of making a sin, such as this.
But, wait can't do that...what if the United Nations...is...is the "Disgusting Thing,"...by george...we've messed up again...
Actually, we as JWs, anointed or not, don't have a clue, as to what the "Disgusting Thing" of Daniel is...now, isn't that so?
Its just the "beast," that ...erm...
..."was, but is not, and yet is..."..or was..or is...or...
and anything else you want to say about it...(smile).
Now, its time to consider one other matter,
NOW, ONE MORE THING, I WANT TO SAY...AND ITS LONG OVER DUE...
Now, the WTS/G.B. became United Nations NGO’s, since the fateful year of 1991.
To my knowledge, “You Know” like all others in the Kingdom hall...JUST FOUND OUT...just found out…right and showed no prior knowledge and insights about this NGO situation, right?
The September 8th, 1991 Awake! Magazne article, didn't stand out, nor was noted outstandingly so, by any Jehovah's Witnesses on the planet earth, isn't that so?
No one mentioned, after it was written, isn't that so?
"You Know" never made any "comment" to this board, to that effect, did you? Nor, did any other Jehovah's Witnesses, nor any other person on this globe, that we live upon.
Isn't that so?
But, but, but, but, so far, we dooooooo have positive proof, that the APOSTATE publication called "The Report" Volume I...said something about this "September 8th Awake! article"....
…isn’t that so…
Well, JWs (along with “You Know”) have understandably “classified” us, filthy “TWMC Folks,” … us filthy “Report” bums, as no-count, no-good “apostates,” …these filthy "apostates", we are called…right?
But, "The Report," Volume I, released back in 1994, made some very, very, very "astute" observations about this particular article, isn't that true? (Whether you've read it or not, the info has been posted on this board.)
Yes, "The Report" Volume I, a proven FACT, is the ONLY publication on record EARTHWIDE…EARTHWIDE…that positively IDENTIFIED the September 8th, 1991 article of the "Awake!" magazine, as being the BEGINNING of a series of articles to be written by the WTS that shows their vicious intent of "getting in bed" with the United Organization, as a future happening, citing Daniel 11:32. (And I say, its still in the future...we've seen nothing yet, believe me.) That is a cold, hard fact, that can be proved…We also…no…I, "MDS" also said…unequivocally, that this particular article…”was NOT going to be the last” of these kinds of articles, printed by the WTS…I did say that…didn’t I…back in 1994?
A proven fact...documented fact.
Some in my personal “company,” …actually know I said it…back in 1991, when I first read it! I immediately interpreted the events…immediately…
...and the "proof," ...the book is in the bookstores, and has been there for YEARS...YEARS...case closed.
So, don’t get angry at me…actually,
...no, no, no,
...because this is a “victory” for ALL THE "FILTHY," "NO COUNT", “apostates,” of our number...since I am viewed as one of you…one of you…so don’t hate me…
So, then ask any JWs, anywhere, anywhere in the world, how is it possible, the “filthy” APOSTATES, are the only ones that sponsor anti-Governing Body literature, how in God’s Name, could One of Us, know…anything about anything spiritual or otherwise concerning your precious, Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?
How is that possible, I want to know?
Surely, surely we are not thinking the impossible...surely the Holy God is NOT dealing with a "filthy," "no count" APOSTATE, is He...the writer of "The Report", is He?
…how could it be…did the “Holy God,” Jehovah, did that Holy Personage, notify a “filthy” APOSTATE, and have him write it down in a Book, and place it in bookstores, put on a website?
...those FILTHY "APOSTATES", you JWs keep calling them?
Why, "You Know,"...why?
Why didn't God NOTIFY ... You, for instance, as one of the "anointed" of God?
You've been "anointed" for now, over 7 years, isn't that right?
Romans 8:14-16 says you should have been notified?
James 3rd chapter shows God's Holy Spirit DOES NOT DWELL IN UNCLEAN ENVIRONMENT.
Come on "You Know"...I see you quoting Daniel 11th chapter everywhere...you know that comes straight out of “The Report” Volume I…it does…
...You know this is what we teach, and have been teaching for years and years now...straight from “The Report.”
...Come on….Remember Deuteronomy 23:14…
You know, contrary to popular thought & opinion, that "Jehovah" isn't such a bad guy after all...kind of smart, me thinks...(smile)
MDS
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Look At the Fruits!! Says the Watchtower
by stevieb1 in
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we know how much in the way of doctrine is scripturally deficient in the watchtower organization, but they will always come back and say something on the following lines:.

* look at the fruit of our works.

millions are coming to an accurate knowledge about jehovah who would never get to know him where it not for our preaching activities carried out worldwide.
MDS

Hi Stevie:
...We are the only ones that stress the importance of God's Name.
Jehovah's Witnesses do carry the most sacred Name in the Universe upon themselves. And that for some 70 years, as of this October 2,001. That is quite true.
The act of carrying God's Name upon oneself can become a wonderful "blessing" or like having a dreadful "bullseye [painted] upon ones back" -- depending upon how the spiritual nation conducts itself while carrying that Name. The Biblical account & recorded history of the ancient nation of "Israel" proves that. -- See Numbers 6:27; 2 Chron. 7:14; Daniel 9:19.
Thus, as one of their Kingdom Songs is entitled: "Are They Living Up To The Name," that is the big question.
If not, if they are profaning it in any way...conduct or doctrine or both...they must answer...with no exceptions. -- Exodus 20:7; Romans 2:24; 1 Timothy 6:1
Check out the following URL for further details.
> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=11937&site=3#144689
MDS