Groan? LOL!
Mr. Coffee ended up filing a lawsuit against the Watchtower Society after being run over by "The Coffee Creamer" and won! Then he continued his raving protests. He's a crazy old dude.
the recent post on how we felt about apostates when we were dubs made me remember something, which i touched on in the post.
when i was 11 my entire damn family visited bethel in brooklyn.
there was a grey-haired older fellow that stayed outside the facility yelling at the top of his lungs.
Groan? LOL!
Mr. Coffee ended up filing a lawsuit against the Watchtower Society after being run over by "The Coffee Creamer" and won! Then he continued his raving protests. He's a crazy old dude.
the recent post on how we felt about apostates when we were dubs made me remember something, which i touched on in the post.
when i was 11 my entire damn family visited bethel in brooklyn.
there was a grey-haired older fellow that stayed outside the facility yelling at the top of his lungs.
When I was visiting Bethel in 1989, I saw Mr. Coffee yelling his head off about whores and such. It is true he had been hit by a Watchtower truck. He was not killed. The Bethelite driving it claimed it was an accident. He was nicknamed "the Coffee Creamer." No joke!
i am a doubting jw and i have been reading about support groups or even a religion or something.
i just want to know if these people are legit.. thanks
hello swyzz,
I'm a member of Lighthouse. We are a group of ex-Jehovah's Witnesses that meet once a month to lend support for Jehovah's Witnesses who have questions, or who are leaving the Watchtower Organization. The members of this group have no religious agenda, although most of us still have a Christian foundation of belief.
We discuss whatever people have a need to discuss. We usually meet somewhere in Dallas, Texas.
If you'd like to meet for lunch, send me your telephone number and I'll give you a call.
"The God that comes before skepticism may bear little resemblence to the God that comes after."
(M. Scott Peck: The Road Less Traveled)
i just read tyydyy's post on macho men.
kent had an interesting point:.
i'd say a girl would go for a man - and then i mean someone who isn't scared shitless by a girl with brains!.
Well, I guess I have to do a little retraction.
I'd work for Billygoat or Xena or Andee.
i just read tyydyy's post on macho men.
kent had an interesting point:.
i'd say a girl would go for a man - and then i mean someone who isn't scared shitless by a girl with brains!.
There's a flipside to this topic heading.
If you ever work for a woman, you'll wonder what women are scared of.
I've heard this complaint from women AND men who work for women.
I don't see any difference in the sexes for the most part. Insecure people in a leadership position take out their problem on the people underneath them. It applies equally to men AND women.
I've worked for two women in my career. Both were iron-fisted dominant types trying to make up for the fact they felt insecure about being the boss. I'll never work for another woman again.
I know plenty of women who feel the same way.
"The God that comes before skepticism may bear little resemblence to the God that comes after."
(M. Scott Peck: The Road Less Traveled)
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Tim said:
What is the purpose of sex?
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You're married to Xena and have to ask THAT QUESTION????
LOLOLOL
(kidding, Tim.
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Tim said:
My stance, for what it's worth is based on MY definition of life and the value of that life. I would not impose MY definition on someone else either by a law or by making judgemental statements.
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I wasn't sure you had a definite opinion. I was trying to find out if you had a definite opinion by posing a hypothetical situation, and asking you a question. I wasn't trying to pry, but I do find it interesting where people draw the line on what is right for them and wrong for them and the reasons why. You should have been at some of my discussions with JWs on why they could live with WT blunders they knew were absolutely wrong like the blood doctrines.
"The God that comes before skepticism may bear little resemblence to the God that comes after."
(M. Scott Peck: The Road Less Traveled)
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Tim,
You said:
Most abortions do not stop a beating heart.
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I'm not sure that's true. What I've read tells me the fetus/baby's heart begins beating at four weeks. I am unable to find statistics for the United States or the World to tell me at what stage most pregnancy abortions are performed. If someone could find that information and post it, I'd like to see it.
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You said:
My mom was pro-choice and chose to have a baby.
As long as you have an option, you have to make a choice.
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I'm not sure I understand this, except that it could apply to any choice you could make. I could elect to murder an adult who I happen to dislike. It is my option. It comes with consequences if I am caught. And it is my choice. Just like what I'm going to eat for lunch, I guess. We all have choices on lots of things. And it is legal to have an abortion in this country.
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You said:
Actually, I think that the morality police actually cause some abortions. If they make it too difficult for youngsters to get birth control then they have to take some responsibility for the pregnancy and the abortion.
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Agree totally. Religious organizations have done a sorry, sorry job in the area of sex, birth control, et cetera.
There are stages in the fetus/baby's development where it has a consciousness. It breathes (amniotic fluid), it can feel pain and sensation, and it can move. In all respects it is alive in my opinion. Certainly it is anyone's choice, under our current laws, to terminate a fetus/baby's life even though *it could survive* if delivered prematurely. Here I'm talking about partial birth abortions which can be done very late in the pregnancy.
Tim, I would guess you would view a fetus that *could* survive if allowed to live as being alive? And that terminating the life of that fetus is extinguishing a life, but that it is your choice to make regardless?
Not trying to be inflammatory. Just clarifying your stance.
This is an issue I've grappled with myself.
"The God that comes before skepticism may bear little resemblence to the God that comes after."
(M. Scott Peck: The Road Less Traveled)
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Tyydyy,
I used to be strongly pro-abortion or pro-choice.
Two bumper stickers I've seen over the years gave me pause to reconsider.
"Abortion stops a beating heart."
"Your mother was pro-life."
Jan,
Thanks for posting the above thread address. A very worthwhile and interesting discussion.
"The God that comes before skepticism may bear little resemblence to the God that comes after."
(M. Scott Peck: The Road Less Traveled)
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Shecky said:
When the parasite no longer needs the host directly, to survive :)
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My sister works as a nurse in the pediatric ward and some extremely tiny preemies can survive. (some as young as 24 weeks) So would 24 weeks serve your definition as a cut-off point of when the fetus becomes life roughly? I'm not trying to be crass or debative. Just curious where you stand. Technically the baby can live without the host, but not without massive medical assitance.
"The God that comes before skepticism may bear little resemblence to the God that comes after."
(M. Scott Peck: The Road Less Traveled)