Reborn,
1. , "slaves are made in such ways" is the Matrix?
ok...simon with his guess the song lyrics inspired me to do one for movies..... you can post your fave movie quote and see if anyone can guess it.
no home movies or indie please (unless its really well-known).
plus if you want you can put what genre it is...... i have one to start us out:.
Reborn,
1. , "slaves are made in such ways" is the Matrix?
ok...simon with his guess the song lyrics inspired me to do one for movies..... you can post your fave movie quote and see if anyone can guess it.
no home movies or indie please (unless its really well-known).
plus if you want you can put what genre it is...... i have one to start us out:.
1. "You want me on that wall! You need me on that wall!"
2. "Sitting in the dark alone with nothing but your thoughts, time can draw out like a blade."
3. "For the first time since this all began, you and I are in total agreement."
4. "Tell me the name of your patient, Doctor!"
5. "There just wasn't enough time, Michael. There just wasn't enough time."
6. "I love you like a rose loves the rain, like a leopard loves his mate, like a... I don't know. I love you. I love you."
ANSWERS COMING SOON.
ok...simon with his guess the song lyrics inspired me to do one for movies..... you can post your fave movie quote and see if anyone can guess it.
no home movies or indie please (unless its really well-known).
plus if you want you can put what genre it is...... i have one to start us out:.
Fark,
The "Why are you being so obtuse" is from...
The Shawshank Redemption.
ok...simon with his guess the song lyrics inspired me to do one for movies..... you can post your fave movie quote and see if anyone can guess it.
no home movies or indie please (unless its really well-known).
plus if you want you can put what genre it is...... i have one to start us out:.
"You should be kissed.... and often.... and by someone who knows how."
for married couples who ended up leaving the jws together, which spouse broke from the jws first?
what was your reaction to your spouse leaving at first?
what made you decide to finally leave with your spouse?.
Tink asked what my situation was.
I am divorced. We didn't make it. We stayed in touch for a long time anyway, but the relationship finally burned itself out about two and a half years ago. I had time to reflect on how I handled my leaving and how I affected people close to me who are JWs.
I work with lawyers on a daily basis. Lawyers are trained to argue logic and they are trained to win. After being around those pit bulls for so many years, and combined with my JW elitism, I was ill-equiped to reach out to a loved one in a balanced manner.
When my study began sharing with me the older Watchtower material, and I began reading books by former JWs, I became outraged. I had based some important life decisions on the then current Generation of 1914 doctrine. I saw the clear pattern of setting false dates to be replaced with another. The blood issue was obviously wrong. Talking with one of the current leaders at Bethel only led to the advice of "Put your doubts on a shelf and leave them there." I became irrate. Well, irrate is not the word. Probably angry son of a bitch would be more appropriate.
I began hammering every JW around me, including my wife, with a barrage of facts exposing the Society for the liars they were. But what I later learned is it's hard to reach people when you are obviously seething with anger. You drive people away. It's fine to be assertive. It's good to stand your ground when you know you are right. However, if you don't equally assure those people around you of their importance to you, how much you love them, how much you need them, then like Paul said, you're just making a loud noise.
Up until that time my wife and I had been happy. Now she was very upset, as were my in-laws, that I was becoming an opposer. At that time, I was completely indifferent to *their* pain. This was a big flaw in my thinking. I had completely forgotten what it was like to be a JW with their hypnotized mindset. Since my wife came from a prominent JW family, it was a National Enquirer-like gossipfest among the JW community we were in. My in-laws and wife were embarrassed to have "an apostate" in the family. I saw my wife and in-laws slipping away from me. This made me angrier.
We moved a few hundred miles away to get away from all of that, but I kept up my argumentation skills. I redoubled my efforts and was even more forceful in my approach. I was relentless. I may have been right, but there was nothing kind or subtle or reassuring in how I was in my relationships with my JW family. And in the end, it became a war in my marriage. We split up. We continued to see each other, but the relationship was on a downward spiral that finally culminated in divorce. We continued to see each other. Over time my ex had become extremely resentful of how harsh I had been. I was equally resentful of her staying a JW. By then it was beginning to dawn on me that coming on like a powerhouse of force scared the hell out of JWs and was not conducive to opening the closed JW mind. But the damage was done, and there was no making it better, and it was finally over.
Someone said, "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want."
Today I talk to the JWs who come to my door and they actually enjoy talking to me. I treat them with friendliness and respect. I am usually never direct in my conversations with them. I simply begin asking them a series of questions to lead them where I want to go. It is so much more effective than breathing pure fire at them. The best thing that happened in my experience is that I was changed to a large degree, and that change has flowed into all of my relationships and for the good.
The last set of elders who visited me said, "We can tell you have a good heart." We had a nice conversation lasting almost an hour and a half. I made some effective points with them that I could see caused them to pause and think. They said they would come back. They just don't know that THEY are my return visit. LOL!
Thanks for all the responses. Very insightful.
for married couples who ended up leaving the jws together, which spouse broke from the jws first?
what was your reaction to your spouse leaving at first?
what made you decide to finally leave with your spouse?.
For married couples who ended up leaving the JWs together, which spouse broke from the JWs first?
What was your reaction to your spouse leaving at first?
What made you decide to finally leave with your spouse?
I am posting these questions because there are some on the board who are married to JWs and could use your experience and insight.
annoying ah how sinful i am and yes after 40 years a friggin jw i am seeing a head doctor and meds for mood swings and have had loads of worldy therapy and i choze celabacy years ago and am proud of myself and love sleeping alone..the people on thread annoying are obviously jws and my daughter l i s a has their number.. now i will end this and start my book called 40 yrs with a frggin cult called the watchtower !!!
jw publishers as a whole are very abusive and it is not just the higher ups and i know loads of people have experienced such treatment...my daughter is very coherant and she told me she said it annoys her when i even say jehovah witnesses and i am going to try to be better and not annoy her she says this as she was born into it jws r full of shit..i wish i did not have to have them come pounding on ones door soliciting wt and awake.for 10 cents or whatever simon dear monitor / or see them on street corners pushing their demonized mags / but as yet they have not been declared illegal as they have been in some countries...i hope i have been coherent enough one and all / simon too..now i must go and concentrate on something more important to me like our cat whom i worship dearly p e a c e
I think we should get Queenie and You Know together. They are made for each other. That's a wedding I would go to, just for the entertainment value alone.
goodbye!
(actually that wasnt too hard..) .
i'm of to cancun day after tomorrow and i may be too busy to get on before then so see ya in about a week!!
You are in Montezuma's country and he still wants revenge, so don't forget the one thing any tourist in Mexico should have...LOMOTIL.
Have fun!
the board system is wack, whatever the admin did to this, it's crap... i cant type nothing, without something going wrong.. i'm gone,,,,,, just watch for me in the future(legendary all the way, changing the world soon.. most important, watch for the messiah, and watch for god promises, heed the warning---------> john 9 verse 31 .
peace!.
!!!!!!we$t$ideeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
*Yawn*
You're leaving?
Thinning the herd isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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i am looking for some new ideas for summer cooking (preferably on the grill).
i thought some of you might have some good ideas of marinades, pasta salads or the like...post your favorites...please!!
Just wanted to cast a vote for Neil's Famous Shrimp posted above. It's freak'n fantastic and I've made it at least five times. Definitely one of my favs.
Here's my variation. Make the shrimp as posted above. Take the shrimp off the skewers. Grill flour tortillas on your grill sprinkled liberally with monterrey jack cheese. When the cheese is hot and melted, remove from grill and slap in three of those luscious shrimp in your hot cheesy tortilla. Consume with a cold beer. Damn, I'm hungry now. I recommend not inviting a lot of company when you make this. You won't want to share.