Er....not your most coherent post, Pup! ?????
Chariklo
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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?
by palmtree67 inricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.
"there are good atheists and bad atheists.
there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".
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"newbie" post - after eight years registered
by pajaha inactually, this is my second post as i replied to a thread a few moments ago, but it turns out i originally registered eight years ago but had never posted.. i left in 2000 (from a newport, s wales, congregation) having been brought up in it from about the age of three.
initially, i was obsessed with research and posting to forums but got over it after a few years and just rediscovered this site a couple of days ago.
i just thought it would be worth posting my account of leaving in case it helped others.. i always considered myself to be "strong in the truth" and genuinely believed it,, but i suppose the amount of suppressed doubts had been mounting up and i think it was the summer of 1999 when i first thought of leaving.
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Chariklo
Hi Pajaha, and welcome, though since you've been here, more or less, for eight years I am very much a newbie compared with you!
Congratulations on all you have done, helping to get others out and on your open, honest, direct approach. I know some aren't able to walk when they know it's wrong, for many very good reasons, but you did, and that's fantastic.
As for me, I was never baptised, but only just not baptised. I saw through it just in time, and wrote to the elders just a very few weeks after walking. I was FREE!!!!
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Religious Genital Mutilation
by Joe Grundy ini never was a jw.
i am an atheist.
(i keep introducing my posts that way, but it's for the avoidance of doubt).. on an entirely different mb, someone just raised the issue of fgm.
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Chariklo
Well done, Chris!
Mind you, being of the generation that knew the Archers from its very beginning, I like you as Joe Grundy, too!
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Religious Genital Mutilation
by Joe Grundy ini never was a jw.
i am an atheist.
(i keep introducing my posts that way, but it's for the avoidance of doubt).. on an entirely different mb, someone just raised the issue of fgm.
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Chariklo
Me too, Joe Grundy, I applaud you for bringing this gross and deplorable practice to the attention of everyone here.
It is important to remember that this practice comes from a particular part of the world, and stamping it out requires the skilful mediation of those familiar with, and preferably of, the cultures that embrace it.
It is, of course, despite one misleading post above, absolutely nothing to do with God.
Brilliant post, Joe.
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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?
by palmtree67 inricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.
"there are good atheists and bad atheists.
there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".
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Chariklo
Purely subjective interpretation, Size. No offence was meant.
Phizzy
Dear BOHM has English as either his second or third language Char, so I think he does remarkably well with expressing himself on here, often explaining to us quite complicated scientific concepts in language that I can understand, a skill he shares with Richard Dawkins, who you also don't like apparently.
As above, I had not intention of offending Bohm, and I do not believe that many will have assumed I had. But I do NOT possess a forum, nor have any influence over the running of one, and that needed to be said. I will bear in mind, in the future, that he is not a native English speaker, and thank you, Phizzy, for pointing it out. Nevertheless, bashing atheists or anyone is something I do not do and have never done. I don't like having false motives attributed to me, any more than I liked being called, a week or so ago, by one of the posters here, on threads now deleted by a moderator, a liar and a hypocrite. I do not do these things. I do tend to try to get a poster to look at what they are really saying, though. Mostly, the only bashing you'll hear from me is the sound of my head rebounding off the proverbial brick wall.
Bohm, if I have offended you, I am sorry. I did not mean to offend you. I was not intending anything offensive towards you, and I apologise for not understanding that you do not have English as a first language.
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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?
by palmtree67 inricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.
"there are good atheists and bad atheists.
there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".
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Chariklo
On which bit, in which place, do you see me as making it, Size? More precisely, where do you see me as "bashing" someone?
Edit: I Googled "Noachian gene". Try it yourself! It comes up with a fascinating collection of links including, on search page 1, one about the Atlantean Diaspora and the Noachian lineage, and another about Mars, with a third about longevity genes, but nothing that seems immediately relevant to this thread.
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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?
by palmtree67 inricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.
"there are good atheists and bad atheists.
there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".
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Chariklo
Bohm
Chariklo: okay so there is a special section on your forum where you can write things you normally wouldnt like other people wrote, but if you write it there, it is okay.
That would be funny if it wasn't sad.
1. I do not possess a forum. Not one. Anywhere. On any subject.
where you can write things you normally wouldnt like other people wrote
2. What on earth does that mean? That is the weirdest, most bizarrely constructed subordinate clause I've yet encountered, and that in 40 decades of teaching English across all age groups and ability ranges. (Even though someone somewhere on here announced a few days ago that I wasn't educated...that did make me smile!)
*sigh*
And then there was the overnight bit where someone says that I "bash and bash and bash at atheists". I think, without looking back as I haven't much time this morning, that the bashes there even got themselves into block capitals!
Oh dear. No. *patiently and very, very simply, since I've said this so many times before*
I like atheists. Many are my very good friends. Humanists, too. (Wonder why that good word isn't used here more?) Agnostics too. Also Hindus, Muslims, Pagans, Wiccans, and adherents to all manner of beliefs and none. Everyone can believe whatever they choose to believe, or not, as far as I'm concerned, nor do I know any non-atheist here who believes otherwise.
Not once have I been aware that anything I've written could be construed as "bashing atheists". However, I have tried to get you to look at the reality of what you are saying. I tend to use logic. Sometimes, some of the self-styled atheists feel uncomfortable when this happens. But bash you? No, bless you. I don't bash anyone.
I am child-friendly, safe to have around, house-trained! LOL!!!
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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?
by palmtree67 inricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.
"there are good atheists and bad atheists.
there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".
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Chariklo
Bohm, you missed the forum section that was in. Personal testimony and experience.
Yes, I was indeed wearied by the feeling of bashing one's head agaist a brick wall.
Evidence free zone? Oh no, this thread here is all the evidence required. Yes, one sided, yes, some of the atheists here do seem to want to pick and break down.
But no, I am not creating two groups. A few people are indeed behaving like that, more's the pity. They create their own vocal group. No need to name them, to satisfy those who pretend they don't understand. They name themselves, implicitly.
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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?
by palmtree67 inricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.
"there are good atheists and bad atheists.
there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".
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Chariklo
((((transhuman))))
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A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?
by palmtree67 inricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.
"there are good atheists and bad atheists.
there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".
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Chariklo
I think it has not so much to do with what people believe or not. This has gotten to be more about hurt feelings and grudges.
I absolutely agree, FlyingHighNow.
I think we would do best to isolate who the trouble stirers are, and then address them---atheist or non-atheist---to prevent the from playing 'sides'.
An interesting and revealing suggestion, New Chapter.
There are some problems with it, though. Who is the "we" in your sentence, I wonder? "isolate who the trouble stirrers are".
1. Do you think the participants in this forum would come up with the same list of "trouble stirrers"?
2. "isolate" people? "Isolate"? Thus creating two groups, the goodies and the baddies, the superior "good" group against the "naughty" group?
Is that how you do things in your part of the world?
Personally, I do not believe in creating groups, one group's behaviour to be compared with another. I deeply dislike an attitude that creates "them" and "us". We see far too much of it on the world stage, and it usually works out with the powerful privileged majority vilifying a minority underclass, whether between countries, or ethnic groups, or even in a microcosmic way on a forum.
That would be a very unfortunate principle to start adopting, in my book.
Do you really see trouble stirrers? I see two groups of people, one saying loudly, "we have the right to believe or not as we choose and we are right and you are wrong". The other group of people are saying patiently "Yes, we agree with you, you have the right to believe anything or nothing if you want and we support you in that right", to which the first group says, in effect, "Oh you horrible people, how can you saw such nasty things, look, look at their "vituperative" comments!"
FlyingHighNow,
We all just have different, unique journeys that have brought us to different places. This isn't about science vs religion, as if science rules out religion or religion rules out science.
I absolutely agree with you, yet again. This is the whole point. No-one that I know has the slightest objection to atheists being atheist. That's fine by me, always has been; I number many atheists among my friends. And again I point out that the colonisation of America was founded upon thhe rights of groups to worship and believe as their conscience dictates.
That was my point yesterday, though you'd never believe it if you go back a few pages and see what was said after I went to bed.
So, who has tried, and failed, to create an argument where there isn't one? Everyone has the right to believe what they believe. It's clear that no-one is disputing that. So, why 18 pages of atheists insisting on their right to believe and no-one denying it to them?
Very strange.
