Good one Doc...
I agree wholeheartedly.
1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).
2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.
this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.
Good one Doc...
I agree wholeheartedly.
this is one major reason why i dont try to wake up anyone anymore.
they need to take the first step, and then i will help---- if they ask.
otherwise i just listen and marvel at how some of them think.
Why is religious propaganda dangerous?
Because people really believe it !!!!!
I mean think about it. What is this guy capable of with these fantasies rolling around in his head?
Governing Body.. you should be ashamed.
wanted to say hi.
i've been lurking for a long time.
i also spend time on other forums.
Welcome ...
If I could share a scripture with you my dear sister.....(condescending elder voice)
Let's turn together to John...the 8th chapter....and verse 32...
and it reads...
"Then you will know the truth (about the truth), and the truth (about the truth) will set you free."
Now did you get the point there....
firstly, there are cash flow problems in wt town.
i don't think it's necessary to list all the cutbacks and layoffs, but there have been many.. their thirst for money seems higher too in my opinion.
more entitled may be a better way of putting it.
GrreatTeacher - those are some good points. I could see that type of program being implemented, especially since they already did an anonymous pledge last year for the new "loan-forgiven" arrangement.
James, that could be a great illustration for an assembly part after the new program gets implemented. The friends would chuckle to themselves and then dutifully pay their tithe/pledge.
i am not sure if it's true but i heard from a good source that wt has given instructions to elders to postponed disfellowshipping members from wrong doing/gross sin until further instructions given by headquarters.
i heard some jws were just reproved either privately or publically.
has anyone else heard anything like this recently?
I will say this. Less than a year ago, they taught elders to disfellowship quicker and to be more cautious about reinstating. They were basically counseling brothers about being too soft.
But then again earlier this year we were embarking on the biggest construction program ever initiated by "God's people" in the history of mankind....Now it's 90% shutdown.
So who knows...
i am not sure if it's true but i heard from a good source that wt has given instructions to elders to postponed disfellowshipping members from wrong doing/gross sin until further instructions given by headquarters.
i heard some jws were just reproved either privately or publically.
has anyone else heard anything like this recently?
I am an elder.
I don't see any letters on it when I log in. It still could be true but I haven't heard anything.
during the assembly they made an announcement about contributions and as always mentioned how expenses outnumbered the contributions so far and we are at a deficit of $6700 or so.
however, they then said that our money on hand in savings for the circuit was $51,000 and that they voted and will be sending $45,000 of it to the society.
who voted?
Yes I have sat in those stupid elders "business" meetings. You have as much say as a typical congregation resolution. In other words, zero. A handful of brothers have already made the decisions based on "direction" from the branch. You are a putz if you disagree or ask any questions.
If this were a loving organization that was truly "Christian" and generous, then they would use the Circuit's surplus to pay for the assembly outright. There is no need for the "friends" to feel obligated to give for this assembly if they already have 50k in the bank.
How cool would it be to hear this announced from the platform,
" Friends, Jehovah has provided for our circuit in an abundant way! We already have more than enough to take care of our Circuit obligations. If you would like to make a donation to the WWW, then feel free to do that at any of the boxes... How does it make you feel, to know Jehovah has taken care of you in this way?....." (thunderous applause)
But that never and I mean NEVER happens. What do they do instead? Guilt-trip the attendees by telling them there is a deficit. That is an implied obligation and expectation for the attendees' to pony up. The 45k donation is mentioned separately as if it isn't the attendees' donations.
Gotta love greed cloaked in self-righteousness.
he mentions changes in assignment at 1:14 and 7:09.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1uufpx8jqk.
The stress and negative world view was caused by them not life. I wish more people could wake up and see that.- Seeking Agape
Well said. I hope to fully experience that some day...
he mentions changes in assignment at 1:14 and 7:09.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1uufpx8jqk.
Geez .... Could these people be more corny and bigger dorks?
Whats up with these syrupy condescending tones these idiots have?
You can tell they know they are speaking to an unintelligent, uneducated flock.
They also speak with an unnatural confidence (read arrogance) that comes from being in an environment where they will never truly be questioned or debated.
firstly, there are cash flow problems in wt town.
i don't think it's necessary to list all the cutbacks and layoffs, but there have been many.. their thirst for money seems higher too in my opinion.
more entitled may be a better way of putting it.
All for show - I like your idea of offering up a few concessions as a bargaining chip. An annual meeting could announce birthdays are ok, blood is a conscience decision, and 10% of our income is expected by Jehovah in order to receive Holy Spirit and blessings.
They probably wouldn't send a bill per se or ask to see your tax return, but would harp on it and question your love for Jehovah if you were holding back your "first fruits". Maybe even referring to it as a secret sin. Elders could ask if you are giving your "share" when they go on shepherding calls. They could guilt trip publishers into thinking they are holding back their own blessings by not giving Jehovah what is rightfully his, even implying they are stealing from God.
Wow, it's sad how diabolical you can think when you've been raised in a cult... But doesn't that sound just like something they would do?