When I say soon, i mesn 100+ years....
Remember JW's are a religion with a time limit, milleniumists. When nothing happens and nothing comes, it will be its own enemy.
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Avoid Going back to the JW's - Educate Yourself about Mind Control
by flipper ini've talked with some good friends on the board about this before and we seem to be in agreement : one reason ( among many ) that some disfellowshipped jw's go back and return to the wt organization is because they are full of uneeded guilt or uneeded fear because they haven't educated themselves about how the wt society uses mind control tactics to deceive them into thinking they have " nowhere else to go " .
i understand that some dfed ones may go back to the organization for family and friends- however- it's an exrecise in futility because once you learn the truth about the truth you cannot undo what you heard.
so some may just go back and live a fake jw life to appease family- but just think of how that can damage a person's emotional and mental health playing the fake jw game the rest of their lives !
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CNN: Does the big bang breakthrough offer proof of God?
by EndofMysteries ininteresting article on cnn blogs http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/?hpt=hp_t4.
i have a similar belief so far.
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The religious have largely scoffed at the big bang for decades, just as with evolution, now they embrace it as god's work, crow barring it into verses from the bible.
As for her qualifications..... So? She still had no evidence for her ideas, just faith in an old scroll. It isn't science, its belief. It contributes nothing to our world view to take her opinion on as fact. It simply makes explaining the universe more complex not less, it is also lazy to place god in the 'x' instead of looking for the true 'x'.
The safest and most honest approach to information, is to stand by the evidence and nothing more.
lastly, the hurdles get higher if you get her assumptions and embrace them. Assume a god... now which one? Which holy book? It is dishonest to start down this path to begin with, thete is NO evidence... and it simply leads to religious OPINION. This is as far from science as you can get.
Prof Krauss has explained a mechanism for the big bang without a god with evidence thrown in, it is still just a theory, but already we are steps beyond an assumption for god. When will the religious learn? It angers me, because they know in our lifetime it wil llikely be too soon to prove wrong, so they can make the assumption. In 400 years do you really think they will still be toiling with the mechanics of the big bang? Be honest....
Keep in mind we already have a big bang re-creation machine in two countries....
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A medieval question for you, if you believe in god....
by snare&racket inmany ancient believers of god used cognition to 'think' their way from belief to atheism.
what initially seems a silly question to reason over, can actually destroy a whole theology.. here is a question made famous by 'saint' thomas aquinas, believers in a almighty god with unlimited ability, please have a think about this..... the omnipotence paradox:.
"could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?
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This is a thought exercise nothing to do with weight lifting for gods. If you can't get past that, focus on it being COULD your god, not would your god....
He either CAN do anything or can't. This simple question shows it is impossible. It goes back to the 12th century, probably older. It simply proves the impossible illogic of omnipotence.
Anyone talking of restrictions such as the laws of physics, is missing the whole idea. if god is all powerful and can do anything, he can overcome physics.
(prologos, I sincerely have no idea what you are saying chief, also its missing the point totally.)
The question shows the impossibility of an all powerful anything......
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A medieval question for you, if you believe in god....
by snare&racket inmany ancient believers of god used cognition to 'think' their way from belief to atheism.
what initially seems a silly question to reason over, can actually destroy a whole theology.. here is a question made famous by 'saint' thomas aquinas, believers in a almighty god with unlimited ability, please have a think about this..... the omnipotence paradox:.
"could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?
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Many ancient believers of god used cognition to 'think' their way from belief to atheism. What initially seems a silly question to reason over, can actually destroy a whole theology.
Here is a question made famous by 'Saint' Thomas Aquinas, believers in a almighty god with unlimited ability, please have a think about this....
The OMNIPOTENCE PARADOX:
"Could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?"
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What the world is coming too?? Interesting news in local paper.
by jam infirst article, hawaii law lets police have sex with prostitutes.
honolulu police officers are urging lawmakers to keep an exemption.
in the stste law that lets undercover officers have sex with prostitutes.
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DJS .... the calculator suggest several at once should see it done in time..... and calculators never lie!
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What the world is coming too?? Interesting news in local paper.
by jam infirst article, hawaii law lets police have sex with prostitutes.
honolulu police officers are urging lawmakers to keep an exemption.
in the stste law that lets undercover officers have sex with prostitutes.
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God's temple builder Solomon had lots of prostitutes.. is it worse or even different 4,000 years later?
Is it not a huge clue to you, that you are outraged at this article, as everyone would be in 2014, hence you brought it to our attention, knowing it would shock us. What does this tell you about our morals and modern culture? Better or worse that it used to be?
Even though your post is likely a misintepretation of what is likely going on, it still seems appaling. However, Solomon is treated like a genius super character in the bible with the most sacred of esrthly privelages...if you were alive and s faithful follower, you would not hsve batted an eyelid at his concubines as THAT was clearly the moral culture then . It is a sign that times are getting better not worse.
The builder of gods temple had more concubines than I could handle in ten life times....... Try again.
Jam, simply name one time in history that was better than 2014, try to find one.....
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What Made U Feel Special As A Jehovah's Witness?
by minimus infor me, it was the idea of never dying and living forever.
plus being a bible scholar.
lol.
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Them and us, i.e. the whole world (man we were so egotystical) v's us few Jw's.
All religions do it, united in defence from global persecution from everyone else on earth. In reality, nobody gives a flying fig..
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Avoid Going back to the JW's - Educate Yourself about Mind Control
by flipper ini've talked with some good friends on the board about this before and we seem to be in agreement : one reason ( among many ) that some disfellowshipped jw's go back and return to the wt organization is because they are full of uneeded guilt or uneeded fear because they haven't educated themselves about how the wt society uses mind control tactics to deceive them into thinking they have " nowhere else to go " .
i understand that some dfed ones may go back to the organization for family and friends- however- it's an exrecise in futility because once you learn the truth about the truth you cannot undo what you heard.
so some may just go back and live a fake jw life to appease family- but just think of how that can damage a person's emotional and mental health playing the fake jw game the rest of their lives !
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Everyone that plucks up the courage to leave contributes to the societies downfall. I see it as similair to those times in history where morals overtook fears such as with slavery, racism, nazi germany etc. Evil prevais when good men do nothing!
I hope I would be one of the people being beaten for defending black people or go to war for a slaves freedom. However, right now, we do have a means to make a moral desicion that can either be part of the problem, or the solution....
Also for those with children, I can't think of a worse thing to teach or show your children, than to stand by a movement you don't believe in and even vehemently disagree with, yet do and say nothing.... even go door to door promoting It! Maybe even feeding the tripe to your very own precious children!
Courage and free thinking will bring Watchtower down, from the inside out....... but that is not any one person's duty, just do the right thing by yourself and your family, if enough do that it will fall soon enough.
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UNITY vs CONFORMITY - discuss.
by disposable hero of hypocrisy ini've read the walsh trial that indicates the societies stance of ' unity at all costs, even if we're wrong ' but that sounds more like conformity to me.
so how do other religions or movements justify the range of beliefs within their respective movements?
for example, the born again movement, a massive range of beliefs, but they don't insist on conformity.
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Unity and conformity are behaviours and traits seen in us, in animals. They sre hijacked by religions and alike. We no longer live in the jungle, so for me I am happy to not be a sheepin the middle of the herd anymore. There is lazy reward in following the herd, no thinking, no effort, no responsibility, just as conforming and being united in beliefs in a religion.
Having experienced both, I can say that going it alone is scary, but one hundred times more rewarding. Exactly as TJ quoted "Give me liberty or give me death!" Once you taste freedom, for me after leaving WT, you could never give it up again without a loss to your soul.
I still conform and I am somewhat united in social constructs such as respected social behaviours and legal law. But I do those things primarily because they are evolutionarily beneficial.
I think these two things, unity and conformity, are in our DNA, they are natural in such a social species as ours. For me, it is just another thing religions and other groups have hijacked, not all for bad, not all for good such as drug gangs, sports teams, soldiers etc etc.
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p.s. I know this is 100% my opinion, no need for an in depth thread on it or to pretend there are right answers on any of this stuff yet. Apart from our obvious evolutionary traits for unity and conformity, the rest in conjecture. Also yes, brush strokes is sn accurate depictionof how I write here, i bomb in and out in spare time. it's just a light chat, hey! X
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Cosmos--any creationists watching? And what does EVEryONE think of it?
by Jon Preston ini just finished the episode about the extinctions and the tree of life and how life evolved.
my wife asked me "what, do u believe in evolution now?
because im watching a science show?
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Evolution, abiogenesis, the big bang.... These are not things that are in any way associated with personal opinion or belief.
Reality IS reality !!!
I can't say it strongly enough, the truth, the reality.... does not care about your opinion, my opinion, your pastor's opinion & we should teach our kids the truth and reality of what we know and have evidence for. If that conflicts with 2000 year old jewish scrolls.... That is not our problem, it is between the believer and their scrolls. If they choose to deny reality for the scrolls.... fine, but step aside as humanity WILL progress on without them...