Good attitude ! I am confident you will enjoy the rest of your life. Lesve them to their empty wells and lemon distribution!
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snare&racket
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This is my first post
by Make Lemonade ini wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.
there are resources here that are deep.
like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?
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CNN: Does the big bang breakthrough offer proof of God?
by EndofMysteries ininteresting article on cnn blogs http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/?hpt=hp_t4.
i have a similar belief so far.
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Sparrow, great thinking.... But please provide an example of what you said. Please give an example of an idea brought about without any evidence, just thinking.
You can't be honest and seperate evidence from ideas. Where do we draw the line if ideas are held in the same esteem as facts or evidence?
Theoretical physics to me, is one of the most exciting uses of the human mind right now. At my bedside is s pile of books, medical (being a doctor), military history (because im a bloke) and theoretical physics, because I agree with you. The human mind is at its zenith when contemplating the universe,
Despite this, theoretical physics based on no evidence, 100% does not deserve to sit in the section labeled SCIENCE for it is FICTION or POETRY at best. Really, where do we draw the line if we don't distinguish fact and fiction?
already her words are being quoted on a forum under the question "Does the big bang offer proof if God?"
Be honest, is this a help or hinderance to finding truth? Before you answer, set aside any bias and make seeking an understanding of reality as the goal. If still you don't see my point, let's make the phd physicist a Muslim doctor, who believes is is proof of ALLAH. Now lets teach that in schools.....
Or shall we stick to EVIDENCE and FACTS?
snare x
p.s. Thanks for the kind words. I just think this stuff is important, I really, really do.
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A medieval question for you, if you believe in god....
by snare&racket inmany ancient believers of god used cognition to 'think' their way from belief to atheism.
what initially seems a silly question to reason over, can actually destroy a whole theology.. here is a question made famous by 'saint' thomas aquinas, believers in a almighty god with unlimited ability, please have a think about this..... the omnipotence paradox:.
"could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?
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A theological paradox outlining the flawed concept of omnipotence, is neither absurd or comical. It is enlightening. Next time a Christian induces magic to explain away the impossible, remember this paradox.
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Cosmos--any creationists watching? And what does EVEryONE think of it?
by Jon Preston ini just finished the episode about the extinctions and the tree of life and how life evolved.
my wife asked me "what, do u believe in evolution now?
because im watching a science show?
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No worries, i wasn't gunning for you or what you said, but it is hugely damaging to continue the idea that what science discovers now has anything to do with ideas random himans had in the past. They are in no way connected. I wish I had recognised that simple fact when I was younger too.
snare x
p,s. Clever/smarts/ intelligence is nothing to do with it, just information. Knowledge is power.
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Cosmos--any creationists watching? And what does EVEryONE think of it?
by Jon Preston ini just finished the episode about the extinctions and the tree of life and how life evolved.
my wife asked me "what, do u believe in evolution now?
because im watching a science show?
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Of course, scientists get excited sbout proving idess wrong by ADDING to them, but this in no way means we live in a workd now where the knowledge science brings us csn be possibly burned on a fire as totally untrue, such ss the idea of blood letting or believing the esrth is flat.
Simply put, all modern scientific ideas are based on evidence, hard real, factual evidence. The new ideas in science that change old ideas comes from new addition evidence that puts the older evidence in context. So our ideas progress, but been as the old evidence is just as legitimate as the new, our ideas don't change wildly.
see it as a jigsaw, evidence is a jigsaw piece. What we think the picture is may change the more pieces we find, but the oldest pieces we find are still pieces. Compare that to days before science, where we just made shit up, ignoring the jigsaw pieces for what we wanted the picture to be or for what we were told the picture was.
evolution is a great example as we have 150 years of evidence. New evidence chsnges dstes, it changes tne order of how we thought things were done, it adds to ideas about what happened where and when. But there is no evidence out there that can dismiss the millions and millions of pieces of evidence for evolution.
Physics is an exciting region of science right now, because we are only just entering a stage where we have the technology to really grab real evidence for theories, so it is an exciting time snd specialitu for scientists. They are moving from thought experiments snd maths to real science. We will lesrn a lit sbout the universe in the next few hundred years for sure. Again, evidence they find is evidence, it csn't be un-found. So even though they may find more evidence that changes the jigsaw apperance, the pieces they find now are still part of the picture.
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Cosmos--any creationists watching? And what does EVEryONE think of it?
by Jon Preston ini just finished the episode about the extinctions and the tree of life and how life evolved.
my wife asked me "what, do u believe in evolution now?
because im watching a science show?
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Everything you mentioned was neither fact or scientific.
But....germ theory is correct despite it still being a theory. it was first considered following Semmelveis and also the first epidemiologust Jon Snow and the Broad street pump's cholera epidemic. It was only recently confirmed for sure when we could see and detect the pathogens with instruments. But it is still called a theory. Does that mean it can be wrong? Of course not!
What science is, what facts are, what theories are, what evidence is.....these are the misconception many people are left with following a religious indoctrination, I certainly was.
If something was learned via a scientific approach (i explain it below), it becomes evidence, the theories are constructed solely based on the evidence, but is only subject to change based on more evidence that ADDS to the theory. This is progress, this is how we have advanced so much in the last 150 years. There is no shame in moving on with our knowledge. Adding to our knowledge is not a weakness and in no way states that we could be wrong about everything, simply that we could have a lot more to learn about everything!
Germ theory is true and can never be false or changed, however we can learn more about its mechanisms and so it remains a body of knowledge, a theory.
This is not to be confused with previous false ideas that people had in history, they had nothing to do with science!
Also there are very few scientific facts, a good one example may be the earth being round, that the earth goes around the sun currently etc. Again, do you really believe there is a possibility that these things are wrong? Of course they are not!
But atoms, gravity, evolution, even germs.... are all a theory, that is a body of evidence collated together. We have more evidence for explaining evolution than we do for gravity. Will you deny gravity? Want to chance we are wrong about it by hopping off a cliff?
What is science?
science is information gathered by research conducted using the scientific method, a 5 stage process that eliminates as much human bias and error as possible. That's it! That is all science is. Those things you listed.... Were they learned via science? No!!
Non scientists especially with a religious background, will list things such as the earth being flat as examples of science being wrong in the past, or as you just did, suggesting that there were many wrong ideas about what caused disease......these ideas were neither scientific or facts. I used to make the same mistake myself.
Secret Heart, if a conculsion was reached without using the scientific method.....it wasn't science! The scientific method was first penned properly by Francis Bacon only about 200 years ago. Now, all research is measured for its legitimacy against that standard. If it doesn't measure up it is dismissed until it is done properly. This is what has brought us from horse and cart to space stations in less than a hundred years!
Evolution is something we can witness in a lab, we can even manipulate evolution in the real world! Big bangs are also something we can make in a lab, we also can see, hear snd witness it's effects in the real world. These things won't be and can't be reversed.....
A fact is something we know for sure, germ theory is still a theory but we know for s fact germs exist, same goes for atomic theory, the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution etc etc etc...
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Circuit Overseer wakes up, packs his bags and leaves!
by Anony Mous ini just heard this about a co i knew back in the day before he was even a co. he must be in his mid-late 40's now, my mother told me the story as she knows the family very well (the entire family has gone 'apostate' including several elders, circuit overseers and missionaries - this was an "example" family, always on the stage etc).. he wasn't 'feeling well' so he took time off from his co duties.
that week he packed his suitcase, told his wife he can't do it anymore and he's leaving, leaves her the car and the house and went to live in a small apartment, bought a small car and a week later got a decent job.. this was very recent so not everybody within the org has heard yet what happened..
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Look around your congregations, anyone with long term depression and illness, halting their roll in the cong, there is a good chance they are battling with their belief...
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Physics: What are your thoughts on life in the 4th,5th,and higher dimensions?
by EndofMysteries inif you do a little research there are many physics forums, discussions, and books about this.
it's a bit challenging to grasp but it's very interesting.
if there is life on this higher dimensions, they could see us yet we would be unable to see them.
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You are mistaking dimensional physics with woo.
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One day Assemblies and the removal of the RBC
by A.proclaimer inso i was at a jw gathering today, and i over heard a brother telling a sister about these new changes.
according to him, both one day circuit assemblies will be put together on the same weekend, one on saturday, the next on sunday.
that way the assembly halls could be used to fit in more circuits as they increase in numbers.
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They really are centralising power aren't they....
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A medieval question for you, if you believe in god....
by snare&racket inmany ancient believers of god used cognition to 'think' their way from belief to atheism.
what initially seems a silly question to reason over, can actually destroy a whole theology.. here is a question made famous by 'saint' thomas aquinas, believers in a almighty god with unlimited ability, please have a think about this..... the omnipotence paradox:.
"could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?
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You are missing the target again....
lets take god out of the equation been as it is so personal to some.... "Can an all powerful ANYTHING make a rock so heavy they cant lift it?"
It isn't a personal attack on anyone's god, the concept of 'all powerful' or omnipiotent is flawed.
As for Thomas Aquinas. He did not come up with this, he just openly discussed it. Avoid the conflict by talking about everything but the obvious if you wish, So far only one person has recognised the illogic belief in omnipotence.
it's not personal, relax....