Matt Chapter 1 introduces problems from he get go..... It is the lineage of Jesus to David, proving he is the Messiah as prophesied.
The problem? It is the lineage of Joseph, Joseph being of no relation to Jesus at all......
Have fun!
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Shared some TTATT with my wife and now she wants us to have a weekly personal bible study
by suavojr inhere is the situation.... a young 19 year old in our congo had a fallout with his parents because of all the restrictions and jw dogma and moved out of the house last wednesday.. to make the story short, the parents went running to the elders and what was the comfort?.
coe said: i saw that coming!
your son never reached out to get baptized.. then the other elder said: don't worry, you still have one left that will be saved.
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Physics: What are your thoughts on life in the 4th,5th,and higher dimensions?
by EndofMysteries inif you do a little research there are many physics forums, discussions, and books about this.
it's a bit challenging to grasp but it's very interesting.
if there is life on this higher dimensions, they could see us yet we would be unable to see them.
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Any evidence Data Dog ? Without it, it is another wild opinion founded in unjustified.....hubris :D
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A medieval question for you, if you believe in god....
by snare&racket inmany ancient believers of god used cognition to 'think' their way from belief to atheism.
what initially seems a silly question to reason over, can actually destroy a whole theology.. here is a question made famous by 'saint' thomas aquinas, believers in a almighty god with unlimited ability, please have a think about this..... the omnipotence paradox:.
"could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?
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Yes Humbled !!!!! Yes indeed ! x
Kate- please remember this is not my argument, it is nearly a thousand years old, I gain nothing from you accepting it. It is the start of opening the mind to consider things we were indoctrinated with without question. Illogical, fallible, senseless ideas that were fed to us before we had the ability to rationalise. Makes reading the bible story book to infants, somewhat more sinister when you realise why it is promoted.
Island man- listen to yourself... an omnipotent being can't by definition be omnipotent if he is restricted in any manner. The emotional attachment to god can cloud the purpose of this question. The second you go into theology or semantics you are missing the point.
Focus on merely the CONCEPT of 'all powerful' or 'omnipotent' and see that it is a flawed concept in of itself.
There is no right or wrong answer, you say he cant make something so heavy he can't lift it... well then he has restrictions, that is not omnipotent. Simple.
The reason it makes your mind noodle, is that it is illogical and flawed. It is clearly the concept of a lazy human, personifying a god charachter and making him supreme and all powerful without realising that it is impossible for anything to have that trait.
This kind of thinking is exacly the kind of thinking religions hope you ignore. There is nothing facile or vain in considering these issues of belief. Take it to your pastor and watch him/her pat you on the head and announce "you are thinking too much."
Churches, the only place where that sentence will be said to you......
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Shared some TTATT with my wife and now she wants us to have a weekly personal bible study
by suavojr inhere is the situation.... a young 19 year old in our congo had a fallout with his parents because of all the restrictions and jw dogma and moved out of the house last wednesday.. to make the story short, the parents went running to the elders and what was the comfort?.
coe said: i saw that coming!
your son never reached out to get baptized.. then the other elder said: don't worry, you still have one left that will be saved.
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P.s. Poor 19yr old kid... are they ok ?
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Shared some TTATT with my wife and now she wants us to have a weekly personal bible study
by suavojr inhere is the situation.... a young 19 year old in our congo had a fallout with his parents because of all the restrictions and jw dogma and moved out of the house last wednesday.. to make the story short, the parents went running to the elders and what was the comfort?.
coe said: i saw that coming!
your son never reached out to get baptized.. then the other elder said: don't worry, you still have one left that will be saved.
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Please....trust me..... it doesn't take long, do the NT books of the apostles MMLJA.
Read them as you would read any book, not as individual verses like WT have you do. Watch the bible transform in front of your eyes into a very different book. Watch the charachters become very different to the people you were told they were.
Best way to make a christian an atheist, make them read the bible. It worked a treat with me! The NT is so far removed from the principles and actions of Watchtower and mot religions, it is impossible to read it and not repeatedly say out lous "oh my goodness, we have a problem here!"
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The Organization is expanding so much........
by DATA-DOG in...that district overseers are now being used as circuit overseers!!
that was a comment at the wt study program.
another great comment was this: " you can go to bethel and have zero skills.
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A medieval question for you, if you believe in god....
by snare&racket inmany ancient believers of god used cognition to 'think' their way from belief to atheism.
what initially seems a silly question to reason over, can actually destroy a whole theology.. here is a question made famous by 'saint' thomas aquinas, believers in a almighty god with unlimited ability, please have a think about this..... the omnipotence paradox:.
"could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?
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If he could write a maths equation he could not solve, it means he is not omnipotent because he can't solve a math problem. It is this easy to prove that 'all powerfull' is nonsensical, illogical and unnatural. It is simply a made up human idea.... without much thought too !
The paradox just highlights the impossibility of anything or anyone being all powerful. It just isn't possible and is illogical.
When you say what he can do and wold want to do, you are missing the whole point.
But I will leave it there. For those that get the point, I hope it makes you think. This is the kind of stuff I mulled over when I was a kid but hid from the answers out of fear and no wanting to really consider the answers.
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Physics: What are your thoughts on life in the 4th,5th,and higher dimensions?
by EndofMysteries inif you do a little research there are many physics forums, discussions, and books about this.
it's a bit challenging to grasp but it's very interesting.
if there is life on this higher dimensions, they could see us yet we would be unable to see them.
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I like that word too....
BOLLOCKS
It feels good to say....
Bollocks, bollocks bollocks, bollocks, bollocks..... oh said it too much, now it has lost it's meaning... bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks...
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(in reality I just wanted to state the qpproprite number of 'bollocks' to the opening post - EOM please post the scientific papers that justify your comments, good luck with that.)
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A medieval question for you, if you believe in god....
by snare&racket inmany ancient believers of god used cognition to 'think' their way from belief to atheism.
what initially seems a silly question to reason over, can actually destroy a whole theology.. here is a question made famous by 'saint' thomas aquinas, believers in a almighty god with unlimited ability, please have a think about this..... the omnipotence paradox:.
"could an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that even he could not lift it?
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It has nothing to do with physics...faceplam...No offence, but I am not going to spend a week explaining the paradox to you. You have missed the point repeatedly he he.
Could an omnipotent being write a maths equation he could not solve?
Could an omnipionet being create a being more powerful than himself?
These are all examples of showing the illogical and flawed concept of ANYTHING that is all powerful, omnipotent. There is no answer Prologos, it is highlighting the issue of giving anything ultimate power. It simply isnt possible and makes no sense in reality.
Drop it prologos, it is flying over your head like a jumbo jet ;) come back after you have done some more sudoku :P xxx
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CNN: Does the big bang breakthrough offer proof of God?
by EndofMysteries ininteresting article on cnn blogs http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/?hpt=hp_t4.
i have a similar belief so far.
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Put it this way, there is nothing wrong with it, in of itself.... but as soon as I see scientists making such assumptions and leaps of faith, I see it being written in the pages of Watchtower literature, I see it being thrust in front of teenagers who have recently told their parents they no longer believe in god, I see it being quoted from podiums and altars, I see it being written.... in forums.
That is why it is dangerous, not because it is not helpful or possibly correct. But because these kind of assumptions from a qaulified voice are dangerous in the wrong hands and provides fuel for a fire we were all once consumed in. Pseudo-science is not harmless!
I was brought up on "some scinetists claim..." or "this doctor believes that...." to explain away countless untruths. They don't help at all!
These kinds of opinions and quotes from scientists are missued by religions all over the world. They kept me content and stopped me questionign for a very long time.
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