Yeah Graham Hancock is interesting. been a joe Rogan fan since episode one.
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Ayahuasca / DMT.... anyone else curious?
by snare&racket inever since reading about dmt and hearing people discuss it, my new post-jw open mind wants to experience it.
anyone here tried it or feels the same?.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ciqzhzax4ro.
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So Spill the Beans, Brothers: Were There More or Fewer At this Year's Bore-Fest
by steve2 inthe jw date-worshipped memorial has just completed its bleak worldwide commemoration.
that wasn't a dust cloud you saw; it was a millionfold hearts limply beating themselves into another round of great tribulation expectations.
i was knocked into a deep, deep sleep by the imagined experience of being at several thousand consecutive kingdom halls as the platformed drones spat forth the predictable sludge that, once released, hits and stains white clothing and bleach is useless.. we know that memorial attendance worldwide has dipped for two consecutive years since 2011 when it reached a high of 19,374,737 and for the promised land, obama's usa, the all time memorial attendance high was also 2011 when it hit over 2.5million (2,563,518) but shrunk in shame back to 2,502,055 in 2012 and spluttered upwards a handful or two to 2,504,114 last year.. so, what was attendance at the date-obsessed bore-fest this year in your neck of the woods?
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To me, knowing how many baptised people usually attend a kingdom hall (7 million people) then looking at how many they claim attend the kingdom halls for the memorial (19 million), every kingdom hall should on memorial night have AT LEAST over double and almost triple the normal baptised members in attendance. They simply don't and I have never believed their memorial figures,
Claiming over twice as many of normal baptised members in attendence at every hall means that statistically, if one hall doesnt achieve it, another now has to treble its attendece, if that hall didnt do that, another has to quadruple its attendence etc etc etc...
I went to several halls on memorial nights in several countries and though it had a spattering of more people, it certainly never more than doubled in baptised publisher numbers anywhere.
I am sure all JW's look at the memorial figures and think 'wow that sounds like alot of people' and a little red alarm rings subcosciously, because they know they dont see their hall have triple attendence on memorial night.....
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Cain and Abel: Literal or allegorical? Symbolic?
by Jon Preston ini would love to hear a believers point on this!
from an interesting point of view:.
"jehovahs witnesses, and some others, believe that humans did not eat meat until after the flood.
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The idea of humans not eating meat is highly inaccurate and had to be made by people long ago ignorant to reality. You can't just magic humans into meat eating, from our DNA up, everything would change drastically, we would literallly become a different species over night.
Our teeth, our mouths, our stomach, our intestines, our liver, our pancreas, our saliva all have functions specific to eating meat alone. When you eat something you break it down over several stages to a tiny chemical molecule. Every stage of breaking down requires chemicals and proteins to make it happen, these chemicals and proteins all need making and distributing in the body. By adding meat to the diet we are changing the human from the ground up! A 'human' that did not consume meat would be very different, have longer intestines, different teeth, jaws and faces, would have a different pancreas and liver and a wildly different lifestyle. Animals that feed on vegetation spend their days grazing, some human ancestors spent up to 90% of their time eating as it was so energy inefficient to consume vegetation.
Only when we evolved enzymes to break down meat and developed fire to aid that process could we have 'spare' time to develop cultures and societies, over hundreds of thousands of years.
This is not guess work, this is all evidence based. As for modern day vegetarians, they have to supplement their diet with essential amino acids and take advantage of farmed and processed foods with high calories and sugar. Adam of the bible had wild greens and fruit trees....... even if they were easy to find his whole life would have been consumed by eating.
We have plants with energy from the sun, tiny animals and insects eat the plants, then slightly larger animals eat the smaller animals and plants in greater quantity, then larger animals again eat the animals that eat the animals and the plants .......at every stage the energy being carried in an animal increases drastically, so that the energy and raw material available increases every level. The higher up the chain you eat, the mire energy you can consume in less time. The animal and plant kingdom work on this basis of energy transfer, the idea of animals not eating animals is ridiculous, the energy from the plants to the larger animals can only get there by consumption of other animals OR by spending all day eating vegetation non stop and by having long intestines, consantly metabolising what you consume. Such as with cows etc.
When I learned all this, I gave myself a big facepalm. While we are at it, try finding a source that lions can or ever have lived off straw lol..... doesn't exist. The urban myth about the london zoo feeding the lions straw during the war as repeated in WT literature has no basis.
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Want to know why people accept evolution ?
by snare&racket indo you have questions about or want to understand evolution?
it is a difficult concept to communicate and so if it is not explained well , it is understandable that we would dismiss it.. i sincerely want to talk with people who want to learn more or see what all the fuss is about.
we are all learning and increasing our knowledge all the time and it is good to go over facts with critical eye.. evolution we can discuss, looking at the foundational facts and evidence, one at a time for you to go and check, agree or disagree with and return.. no pressure to accept it, you can decide for yourself, also no mocking etc of what you have to say.. .
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Now they use >32 elements when radiometric dating, it is very accurate. Have a look at how they do it here....
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dating.html
As for human ancestroy and the evidence we have, I really reccomend an interactive museum webpage from the smithsonian, you can see the fossils and evidence in 3D with explanations. if I lived in the USA i'd be there in a flash to see it in person. But just to get a basic appreciation take a peek... (focus on human ancestors and genetics sections)
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Essay by Barbara Anderson: "What's in a Name?"
by AndersonsInfo inwhats in a name?
posted on april 15, 2014 by barbara anderson http://watchtowerdocuments.org/whats-in-a-name/ .entry-meta-icons .entry-meta .
.entry-header one morning at bethel in 1989, after the usual text discussion before breakfast, there was an announcement to the staff about the legalization of jehovahs witnesses in poland.
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Thank you Barbara,
When I read of the tax issue in France, i.e. JW's in France had not paid tax and argued if they paid their bill it would empty their coffers and therefore they could not continue as a religion. They claimed it would negate their european right to freedom of worship if they paid ceasers things to caeser! Amazingly, they were allowed to forego their tax bill and shamelessly declared a victory on satan's perescuting world...
That aside, your article reminded me of my thoughts when this happened in France. The tax bill would not at all wipe out the true financial status of Watchtower, and immediatly I realised why they seperate the religion into charities and companies throughout the world. The french branch of the JW religion is quite a seperate identity to that oF the American according to the tax man.....
Watchtower
Watch Tower
International Bible & Tract Society NY
International Bible Students Association UK
etc etc etc.....
Not only do they reduce liability, by being a seperate company to these sister organisations, but the real money all sits in one pot in the USA safe from the sources of the money. I read the UK tax report on IBSA in 2012 and was intrigued to read how they worded their financial arrangement with Brooklyn. The UK bethel admitted to sending 90% of it's income to an american charity (Watchtower) as the board believed it was what it wasyhe most beneficial use of the money and that it supported the goals of the charity it supported.
Then I heard about how the society send money around the world, clearly laundering it via congregation and bethel accounts. It was raised following the congregation take over in the USA (menlow park?).
So these legal entities and names are no accident. I have no doubt they are breaking laws all over the place too. When I was in the UK bethel, they had charity status and tax exemptions but were stopped from selling literature. But at night were printing literature, that they sold, in Africa.
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Any gay exJW's?
by Trapped in JW land inwas just wondering how many gay exjw's were on this site, and how did you deal with being in this organization?
and also, how did you end up leaving?.
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2 gay friends that were DF'd from my old hall, they were both told to fight it , not tell anyone and try to live a 'normal' straight life bu the PO. One of them, their JW parents STILL make them duck in the car if they pass JW's and repeatedly tell them of their shame, they even posted on FB about it tonight. It is shameful and so backward.
Statistically there must be around 15% of JW kids who are gay, the numbers are statistically standard for homosexuality even in animals.
Only in JW land, where everything is 100 years behind the time, is it still a taboo. So welcome to the site and welcome to the freedom of honesty.
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Ayahuasca / DMT.... anyone else curious?
by snare&racket inever since reading about dmt and hearing people discuss it, my new post-jw open mind wants to experience it.
anyone here tried it or feels the same?.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ciqzhzax4ro.
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There are no such things as spirits lol and it is funny how anti drug people can be, for no real rational reasons. Most things we consume interact with our brain including tea & coffee, alcohol and even foods. There is an odd perception about 'drugs', a whole blanket list of chemical interactions that people will label as dangerous just because it is a 'drug' that isn't yet sold on a shelf.
DMT as with all drugs, can worsen any pre existing psych condition and it is ill advised for those people. But it does not cause psychological insult.
It does raise neuro sympathetic drive though (fight & flight) so increased heart rate, resp rate, blood pressure etc. But so does a can of red bull!
My perception based on my background in medicine is that DMT trips are just potent dreams,. DMT which is used in memory organisation during sleep, is part of associating sounds, vision and memory along with emotion with the days events. Hence dreams! DMT is released during this process. High doses seem to provide vivid highly sensual experiences that most who try it seem to relish. I believe they are simply experiencing a very potent observation of their brain making associations and new neuronal connections. Nothing to be scared of or even real.
For the physiology involved and background I have, I would love to try it, there is science to be learned from DMT, I really belive think so. Also it looks great fun.
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COSMOS Show
by LV101 inwhat station is it televised on?
when?
looked thru the 'cox' show directory and couldn't find.
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It has been shared through several channels, it began on Fox but is also on the discovery network.
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Ayahuasca / DMT.... anyone else curious?
by snare&racket inever since reading about dmt and hearing people discuss it, my new post-jw open mind wants to experience it.
anyone here tried it or feels the same?.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ciqzhzax4ro.
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Ever since reading about DMT and hearing people discuss it, my new post-JW open mind wants to experience it. Anyone here tried it or feels the same?
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I travelled the country on a train today, all evening looking at the full moon through the window of the carriage...... I have said it several times, but again the pagan foundations of such rituals are so obvious now...
A full moon....
The blood and body of a god....
The blood and bones being passed & consumed by those chosen by a greater god....
So gods, full moons, drinking blood, and ritual....erm "Hello y'all, tis probably pagan!"