i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
About 5,000 years ago the egyptians figured the circumference of the earth using geometry and were performing cataract surgery.
Now this we can work with.....
I have studied Medicine for 6 years and never once heard the term 'spirit'.
Looks like everyone else moved on and nobody sent you a memo.
"Reigns supreme" < reality
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Nope.
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
I couldn't sleep.....
You should know ATP kate, shame on you.
As for life and animation, what do you all belive happened when Dr Craig Venter artificially created a living functioning bacterium in a lab?
It actually came to life and started working as a normal bacteria.
He has now created synthetic life that manufactures fuel as it's waste product.
Do you all feel that god is keeping up with Craig's lab work ready to breathe magic into the finished products?
How come you are ignoring the scientific world that have already figured out that this is simply machinery at work, so much so we have made it ourselves.....
http://www.ted.com/talks/craig_venter_unveils_synthetic_life
It is just machinery! That is it! ATP simply spins a turbine in mitochondria, or triggers actin and myosin in muscles... it is a molecule that is easily charged at ATP, and can be recharged from ADP (di being two phosphates, tri being....yeah you get it).
It is all mechanical...and guess what when it is all brought together, like a fine harley....ok wait, like a fine Honda... it starts to work!
Why are you adding magic, mystery or woo?..... seriously? It works without it!
When the machinery breaks down, the mecanism ceases to animate, to live! The ATP in the muscles do not recharge, hence rigamortis! They don't recharge as they have no fuel to add the third phosphate, no air or sugar, they have no air or sugar because the blood has stopped circulating, because the pressure has dropped in thr blood vessels, because the heart has stopped, because the hesrt tissue has failed because the cells are old and deteriorated because the dna used to replicate those cells has deteriorated becase the telomere molecule that protects the dna every time it is copied has deteriorated over 80 years....
It is all mechanical.....
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Vid......ATP... lol.
of all of the watchtower's many publications dating now to all the way back to russell, which one publication is the most damning in showing they are a complete crachpot of a religion?
and i course, i mean which original publication before they changed a few words and reprinted!.
personally, i think it is probably russell's the divine plan of the ages.
Let's set the scene...... Germany is calling Jews 'Vermin' and genetically impure and the world is eyeing up Germany as fascist fires flare....
Meanwhile, Watchtower writes a pamphlet for Germany and sends a copy to Hitler himself....
"The greatest and most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire. By that is meant the British Empire, of which the United States of America forms a part. It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact particularly applies to the cities of London and New York, the stronghold of Big Business. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says: 'The Jews own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills.' We have no fight with any of these persons mentioned, but, as the witnesses for Jehovah and in obedience to his commandment set forth in the Scriptures, we are compelled to call attention to the truth concerning the same in order that the people may be enlightened concerning God and his purpose."
"The present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nation. Such is exactly our position; and we further state in our literature the reason for the existence of oppressive Big Business and the wrongful political religious influence, because the Holy Scriptures plainly declare that these oppressive instruments proceed from the Devil, and that the complete relief therefrom is God's kingdom under Christ. It is therefore impossible for our literature or our work to in any wise be a danger or a menace to the peace and safety of the state."
"Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart ... A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications, and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness and who obey the Most High. Instead, therefore, of our literature and our work's being a menace to the principles of the present government we are the strongest supporters of such high ideals."
The decleration of Facts.
By Rutherford.
it's even on wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Facts#cite_note-apocalypse-1
jehovah's help break free.. "greedy people".
but the desire to have more money, power and.
helped student.
How very bland.....and that brochure looks awful. They are so far from the pulse of reality nowadays, it's like they don't want to appeal to normal people!
Don't get me wrong....I am glad of this....
once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!
you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.
it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!
DISP HERO:
You will get there buddy.
Can I recommend some books?
Crisis of Conscience, Franz
God is not great, Hitchens
Lost Christianities, B Ehert
The Greatest Show on Earth, Dawkins
p.s. Couldn't sleep last night and I can't believe how bad my spelling and typo's are. I do need to reset my ipad dictionary, but that was ridiculous. Apologies to anyone it annoyed, I am not good at the best of times.
Sorry x
tried to get into jw.net twice but a popup informed me that the official website of jw's is jw.org.
this was about 2 hours back.
anybody with a similar experience?.
Don't do it....by doing it you are playing along with their game, their rules... 'disassociation' doesn't exist outside the crazy land of Wootower.
By simply leaving you have decided to take back control from them.
Now keep it.
Snare x
p.s put the gun down....slowly...
yup, the apostate is happy.
i shouldn't be, right, because my life is empty without "jehovah" and the organisation.. but i just got a job at one of the best theme parks in the world, which is so what i want to do, and it's the first permanent job i've had since i lost my government job in 2012!.
the job pays minimum wage but i don't care because working in tourism and entertainment is what i want to do!
Oooh free rides?
I am super chuffed for you.....Life is short and we must pursue happiness, whatever floats your boat! Sail on Sister! xxx
p.s. I look forward to reading your book.....I remember your first posts here :D How far you have come xxx
once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!
you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.
it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!
disp hero... I have not experienced that. I spent a good 5 years taking apart the JW doctrines and bible before I let it all go. I had to as my mind felt so entangled and I had no way of deciding which way was up ir down, what was good or bad etc.
Forgive me, maybe I am wrong, but maybe the filters are coming back because you haven't fully let go?
Maybe you mean something minor, like how you see people. My assumption is you mean something more significant, for example many leave the JW's but remain convinced the world is getting worse before their eyes! ...... Despite ALL the data proving otherwise.
If I misunderstoood, apologies. If I didn't, I really reccomend you research everything to the tiniest detail. It all falls apart so quickly and the ties of the judeo-christian beleif sytem fall apart alongside it. The filters, lens and indoctrination simply disintegrate without thought.
I have 100% sincerely not had even a moment of belief or doubt, of questioning, guilt, concern, fear etc since researching the hell out of everything. By finding out the facts, you end up not having to deconstruct or choose any beliefs, the facts decide it all for you.....
