Posts by snare&racket

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Something I need to clear up about the bible - It is not a BRONZE AGE BOOK!

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

let's be technical.

the bronze age ended in 1200 bce in devoloped places and later ... aroun 900-800 in other places.

indeed read 1 samuel 13's ending.. the bible was produced not one tiny bit in the bronze age.

snare&racket

NotNew, though it was written down in the Iron age, the beliefs are bronze age, i.e. monotheism, man woman and snake, sacrifice blood for forgivness, flood story etc etc

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Something I need to clear up about the bible - It is not a BRONZE AGE BOOK!

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

let's be technical.

the bronze age ended in 1200 bce in devoloped places and later ... aroun 900-800 in other places.

indeed read 1 samuel 13's ending.. the bible was produced not one tiny bit in the bronze age.

snare&racket

No..YOU get it right, nobody says the bible is bronze age, in reference to christianity ..."Bronze Age beliefs"...is commonly used.

The bible is plagirism of bronze age beliefs... with new names and locations.

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

snare&racket

Smart prople know there is nothing to understand.

I am loving the irony with this melon, the broad stroke assumptions, the ever changing signature, the myopic blindness evident in a member that can't see independant thinking or intelligence in a forum of people that against the odds left a cult, the unrestrained rambling and disjointed sentences....

....and yet they chose the name FOCUS....

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What do you think?

by rosie70 in

it happened to one of my friends.

what do you think of the guy's behavior?.

a girl and a guy are coworkers.

snare&racket

infatuation maybe a hint of lust.....but not love, love doesn't care about beliefs or rules or consequence.

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Liar, liar your pants are on fire...

by new hope and happiness in

i remember as kids we would say " liar, liar your pants are on fire" and they wern't were they.

so that in itself was a lie.. but is lying always so bad?

i mean for example at an art class as a kid when i had to commented someones work, rather than be nasty, at a picture which was terrible and traced as well !

snare&racket

Truth and lies is interesting, there is no absoloute right or wrong with the truth and with lies...also it is about perspective, we called a huge lie 'the truth' for quite some time and believed it......but now we don't. As for me saying there is no right and wrong, we can all think of examples where to lie is right and to tell the truth is wrong.

Truth and lies are grounded in what is beneficial for us as a species. Is it beneficial to be told that it is ok to drink poison? Is it beneficial for the prolongation of your genes to say your wifes gluteus maximum looks enlarged in her jeans?

I appreciate the level above that, the level of evidence and absoloute truths, such as the earth DOES go around the sun, but with so few known and evidential truths, we have to decide on a compass for truth and lies, by the numbers it is better to tell the truth because it is more likely to be helpful to know the truth in a situation, but sometimes it is less emotionally appropriate to tell the truth.

Anyone agree/disagree?

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Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed documents showing child abuse allegations against church elder

by burnedout in

mark sewell convicted of eight historic sex charges, including rape.

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i can not copy the link, but go to walesonline.co.uk.

snare&racket

What a shameful organisation we once had our names and lives attached to.

By their fruits......

Rotten to the core.

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JW.org says that the Bible knew that the earth was suspended in empty space

by opusdei1972 in

"the earth is suspended in empty space.

(job 26:7) many ancient peoples believed that the world was a flat disk supported by a giant or an animal, such as a buffalo or a turtle.".

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/science-and-the-bible/.

snare&racket

good work wizz, didn't know the hebrew , cheers x

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Jw's dont really care about doctrine do they?

by marriedtoajw in

it seems to me that jw's really don't care about doctrine.

ephesians chapter 4 verse 11 "and he gave some as apostles others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry for the building up of the body of christ until we attain the unity of faith and knowledge of the son of god to mature manhood to the extent of the full stature of christ so that we may no longer be in infants tost by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery from their cunning in the interest of deceitful scheming".

is it just me or does this verse totally annihilate the doctrine or belief in new light.

snare&racket

As a JW I was amazed how few undeestood what the JW's believed. Elders talks often contradicted doctrine without even realising it.

The lifestyle is more important than the beliefs for sure, hence the WT canchange the doctrines with such ease and little interest or evennotice from the sheep.

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JW.org says that the Bible knew that the earth was suspended in empty space

by opusdei1972 in

"the earth is suspended in empty space.

(job 26:7) many ancient peoples believed that the world was a flat disk supported by a giant or an animal, such as a buffalo or a turtle.".

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/science-and-the-bible/.

snare&racket

I read it in a book on the history of arabic science and mathmatics, but I am looking for references now and can't find one. I remember discussing it with my math prof in uni and he had read it too, but I need to check how valid it is.

Just reading about christians holding onto the belief the earth was flat until very recent times. It struck me how familiar the arguments for a flat earth sounded, with evidence being ignored based on the argument that maybe we are misintepreting the 'evidence'... why? because the bible says differently!

"Scripture simply says that the moon, the sun, and the stars were placed in the firmament of heaven, below and above which heaven are the waters...We Christians must be different from the philosophers [astronomers] in the way we think about the causes of things. And if some are beyond our comprehension like those before us concerning the waters above the heavens, we must believe them rather than wickedly deny them or presumptuously interpret them in conformity; with our understanding."

Martin Luther: First Lecture on Genesis - 1545

I have heard the same argument in respect to evolution, the big bang, abiogenesis, the age of the earth + universe etc etc. I just wish they would be honest and at least admit that the evidence contradicting the bible MAY just be an indicator that the bible is fallible, but nope, that not being an option it is either the evidence or our intepretation of it that must be wrong, the bible can't be...it says so..... face palm!

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Archbishop Didn't Know Sex With Children Was a Crime

by Stealth in

wtf .

the st. louis archbishop embroiled in a sexual abuse scandal testified last month that he didnt know in the 1980s whether it was illegal for priests to have sex with children, according to a court deposition released monday.

archbishop robert carlson, who was chancellor of the archdiocese of minneapolis and st. paul at the time, was deposed as part of a lawsuit against the twin cities archdiocese and the diocese of winona, minnesota.

snare&racket

Religions can't morally evolve, that's the poblem honouring bronze age documents.