Thank you everyone for your kind words, thank you Cofty x
Leave Watchtower, remember what your dreams were before the indoctrination began and go for them....
It really, really could happen ;)
after years of hard work and study, former bethel boy snare & racket is now officially a medical doctor.. his story is an inspiration that there can be life after the watchtower.
he has given me permission to post his graduation picture.. .
Thank you everyone for your kind words, thank you Cofty x
Leave Watchtower, remember what your dreams were before the indoctrination began and go for them....
It really, really could happen ;)
forgive me for indulging in a goodbye but it would feel wrong not to,.
i hope the discussions and atmosphere here do not change for it is a bubbling brew of doubt, bravery and sincere hunger for answers.
these are healthy ingrediants for humans and especially for a jehovah's witness.. this forum offers not just the ability to ask without consequence, but it also offers the means to be real.
Forgive me for indulging in a goodbye but it would feel wrong not to,
I have much to say thank you for and too many to thank here. I hope the discussions and atmosphere here do not change for it is a bubbling brew of doubt, bravery and sincere hunger for answers. These are healthy ingrediants for humans and especially for a Jehovah's Witness.
This forum offers not just the ability to ask without consequence, but it also offers the means to be REAL. As a JW I would lie and say I questioned everything, I would lie and say I became a JW of my own volition, I would lie and say there were no contradictions, no unanswered questions and no doubt in my mind. The consequences of saying otherwise or thinking otherwise were too high..... here they are not.
I called it 'The Truth' all the while not being allowed, or allowing myself to hear anything from anyone that said otherwise. Not a smart way to live, think or experience the world. I received ALL my information on life desicions, politics, history, religion, science, morals.... from ONE source. The very same source telling me they were right, they were chosen by god, they had the answers. All the mistakes they make were not mistakes but an increase of light... with no answers when old light became new light which once more became old light..... and yet I never dared question..
That was until I bought a phone with WAP internet access (The nokia Matrix Phone...no less). I searched and found the Net Soup Watchtower News page that had links to here. I was a full time pioneer and on my way to bethel when I saw that people had the same questions as me. THAT is the power of this forum.... you realise you are not alone.
I came back here many times and eventually registered (diff account) when I left for university. I arrived at this forum as a believer in god, the bible, I thought evolution was a joke (I mocked my first evolution lecture)...and I was starting to examine other religions such as Islam.
I have been wrong before, so I am hesistant to announce my current stance as 'The Truth', but never have I felt so comfortable with the side of the fence i stand.
I strongly suggest people read the following books, but feel free to come to any conclusion you wish. these were my introduction to atheism, evolution and bible history. The first book is specific to the JW's written by an ex governing body member.
These books may not give you all your answers, but they will give you questions and they will provide data. Don't take yourself out of the equation for figuring life out. You are as worthy as any religious man, any religious organisation, to determine the reality around us. You are as worthy as a governing body member or a WT writer to read and decide if 'x' is true or not. In fact the only motives you can be sure of in examining data are...your own.
I guess I feel compelled to write this, it is almost a letter to my youger self. Things I wish I knew before my youth was wasted delivering out of date pamphlets, building windowless indoctrination boxes, assembly halls and the literature itself in Bethel.
There is no need to be down however, If you are here as I was, you are one of the lucky ones, you may just get out....
So to everyone here, once again thank you. Remember it is never too late to do something with your life, to follow a dream or life goal. I strongly advocate education, it has changed my life for sure and I will always promote its power.
Than you to Simon and Angharad for this site, for nearly 10 years now I have survived with all my JW friends gone, their backs turned against me. I have had few family members in my life, the majority not even knowing if I am indeed alive. For having people to talk to here and share fears, joy's and questions...thank you all.
We have very short lives, 10/10 humans that have ever lived...have died... we were sold a lie and time is precious. Do something with it and most importantly, BE HAPPY :)
I had confirmation from the health board yesterday that I am now officially a medical doctor at the tender age of 33, there is life after Watchtower!
Dr Snare & Racket
Good bye x
focus.
("love and kisses" class).
focus.
is adam playing a guitar?
"....scuze me while I kiss the sky..."
please spare a moment to consider the difiiculties faced by gay jehovahs witnesses.
i was raised and baptised as a very serious jw.
every waking moment of my day was lived for jehovahs and his organization and for nothing else.
I am pained to read what you experienced, it is a monstrous corporation built on judgmental ignorance.
I am glad you are free of it, you deserve it.
Snare x
p.s. great post, I had no idea what young gay people went through and it was very enlightening though totally shameful.
i wanted to share with you guys the argument i had today with my mother.
i've been away last week in a far away city for my college exams.
i've been staying at a friend, a jw who, just like me, is actually an atheist and doesn't believe a word the wt says and knows it's a bullshit cult but because of his family and friends he still stays in.
Great reasoning, I use the same angle when discussing disease i.e. who designed the cancers, the diseases?
They are tempted to say satan but they know that is not biblical and gives satan creative powers, so it bakes their noodle
Good work x
about a week ago, i had my "encouraging visit!
" it was real last minute, and i said , "yes!
" they were not expecting that, and they missed their dinner.
What is more important, unity or truth?
Unity has no value beyond apperance. What is the benefit of being united in a false belief?
It is illogical and irrational to listen to such thinking.
when i was still serving as an elder in the late summer of 2006 in a congregation of jws in socal we received a letter from the "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses" (read: the governing body) directing that anyone pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from privileges of service: elder, servant, pioneer, etc.
i remember this quite distinctly because i had just received by ba in education in june a few months before this.
in 2002, i had decided to pursue a degree under the society's then current "it's a personal decision" policy and was quite shocked at their drastic policy change.
Best desicion you will make this year !
I graduate after 6 years of university next week and it has been the best thing I have ever done. The WT could not have beeen more wrong about higher education and its value. I also was a JW in the 90's where we had circuit assemblies that outright mocked higher education. I knew one boy that went to university and he got baptised the weekend before he left for uni, that circuit assembly was full of anti university talks, poor guy.,
Knowing now that the WT are being so untruthful about how successful it is and how rewarding it is, whilst ramping up lies about the 'dangers' of higher education (I haven't seen the sodom & g they described all my youth, in 6 yrs.....i looked real hard though lol). It left me realising they simply recognise that high education leads to higher thinking, demanding higher answers, wanting higher evidence and seeking higher authority for answers than 8 unknown men who declare themselves gods spokesman on earth.........whilst denouncing education!
I am happy and excited for your daughter, truly I am, it is my favourite thing to read on this forum, people seeking higher ed, because it is so positively life changing for a JW.
Snare x
p.s. Well done for being so brave.
everybody cringes when i tell them that my dr wants to put me on beta blockers.
is there an alternative to not going on them if your dr recommends it?
maybe armegeddon is around the corner and i may not have to worry about it..
As well intentioned as everyone is, perhaps an internet forum is not the best place for medical advice on cardiac pathology and treatment.
I use this website myself and recommend it to patients.
Take a peek..
a big discussion driving back from the regional convention about what exactly was meant about pets.. the warning was obvious to me.
don't get pets, they cost time and money and you would do better to spend your time and money supporting the organization and going in field service.. as to the wine and beer, because the bro during his soliloquy admitted that the first thing he would like to do is relax after a hectic day at work with a glass of wine or beer, his conscience was traumatized.
however he came up with a perfect idea, he'd go tend the garden (obviously a solution for a married bro) or hit some golfballs at the driving range (maybe he's not married).. maybe jesus should have told the wine guzzlers at cana to sober up and go till the fields.. .
sure it wasn't an ignorant slight at evolution? That was my assumption based on the thread title.
there are a million of them and mine is by no means the most important question to ask them if i only had one shot at it.
but, i have always wondered what kind of bs excuse they would give as an answer to this question: "brother goober bum, given that there are both male and female partakers here on earth who claim to be of the 'anointed' and plan on being of the 144,000 ruling with christ in heaven for eternity........ why are the female 'anointed' treated as submissive, second class citizens and why is their opinion on doctrinal matters, matters of teaching and reproving, anything at all.... why are they not recognized while here on earth even though you claim that jesus has selected them to become angels to rule with him?
".
I was force fed your books as a child. Now, please define the evolutionary process to me.....