Posts by snare&racket

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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??

by minimus in

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as jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.

i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.

it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.

Anthony Morris looking for members with construction skills..Now and after Armageddon

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

here is a screenshot from a youtube video (521 and the circus continues) where anthony morris blasts post-secondary college & university education.

''we will not need doctors or lawyers after armageddon.

so, anthony...what occupations do the society need '' today'' and after armageddon?

snare&racket

"I want a house by the sea, errrmmmm a pet tiger .....and the best Manhattan lawyer this side of Armageddon!"

if anyone needs a good attorney come 'judgment day' at the end of the 1000 year reign, it's the guys that let kids die of blood loss and suffer abuse to church seniors and then cover it up with widespread destruction of evidence.

But sure go ahead..... turn up on 'judgment day' with a roofer or carpet fitter representing you! That is one episode of 'Jude Jehovah' we will all be glued to.... "the cases are real, the rulings are final, the lawyers are all wearing hard hats."

As a doctor who has saved many lives, I'll be watching from the sidelines with interest.

Thank Zeus, this is all a fiction.....well, apart from the rampant child abuse and child death at the hands of these 'men'.

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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??

by minimus in

jw
friends

as jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.

i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.

it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.

snare&racket

.......or just read The Watchtower and Awake and be the smartest person you know!

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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??

by minimus in

jw
friends

as jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.

i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.

it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.

snare&racket

It depends on what you want to achieve, what career you want. Some professions require a degree, nursing, medicine, engineering, finance etc. If these are the careers someone seeks passionately, then a degree via higher education is necessary.

Higher education isn't for everyone, but from my experience it is the most life changing activity I have participated in. I saw first hand how very powerful a mechanism it was for transformation and I promote higher education to everyone that will listen. My nephew was working in pizza hut, JW parents, he worked hard at school, attended University to study finance and now works in London for a prestigious finance firm, on an extraordinary wage straight out of university. My sister was middle aged, exJW with no schooling of use, no career, attended college then university and was a year from graduating as a midwife only that personal issues hampered her from finishing. I was a JW window cleaner and labourer, now a medical physician and University lecturer.

As for debating professors.... well, professors love to debate and argue! I would disagree with my lecturers on issues without any consequence. As a lecturer now, I enjoy interacting with students willing to care enough to challenge a point of view.

I never saw any lecturer/professor heavily promote personal politics or personal beliefs in lectures and certainly nobody was hindered for their opinions, that was in 6 years of university education. There were many debates and discussions whereby ethics were discussed and opinions varied wildly. We were encouraged to recognise there was no right or wrong answers, but that we were to consider everyone's point of view and the legal requirements.

I now attend a masters in medical education and we debate educational theory with our lectures all day long and they encourage it! If you can defend your point of view with evidence, you are fine. In fact, unique and controversial arguments are what all students seek as they score highest in assignments for being different and thought provoking.

It could not be further from the life of a JW, as a student you are encouraged to believe nothing, critically appraise everything, construct your own point of view based on evidence and then test it for its function and efficiency. There is no hierarchy of power, that just isn't how education works, education evolves so quickly, the students become the lecturers and the evidence improves/changes daily.....anyone holding tightly to outdated/non-substantive views lose confidence.

I sincerely believe that those arguing against higher education and making points about politics and professors, have clearly not attended higher education facilities. In 2008, I was posting on this forum about how surprised I was to be allowed to question, how freeing it felt. That I had open access to the professors to debate them unlike elders/overseers or the GB. It was life changing to witness and experience it.

I am totally aware of the issues in America with Left/Right battle lines being drawn on university campuses. The convoluted dialogue between social sciences, psychology and philosophy departments appear to be muddying the waters not bringing clarity, This isn't surprising, these departments and experts are tackling new social issues with huge consequences for society, with much emotion, tribalism and political footballing going on from all sides. These debates and discussions should be taking place and it will be interesting to see what the future holds. The quicker they respect one another and respect each others free speech, the sooner they will mitigate the issues.

Lastly, for those that don't think higher education is for them, including some entrepreneur heroes of mine....great! I'm sure it isn't for everyone. It was a brutal 6 years of hellish study, 16hr Library sessions, crushing workloads and what seemed impossible finishing lines to cross. It wasn't always emotionally or psychologically healthy to be so academically driven and focused for so long.

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'Evolution' definition can include 'origin of life'

by hooberus in

the popular berkeley evolution site (while responding to the misconception that evolution is just "a theory about the origin of life" does state:.

"evolutionary theory does encompass ideas and evidence regarding life's origins (e.g., whether or not it happened near a deep-sea vent, which organic molecules came first, etc.

), but this is not the central focus of evolutionary theory.

snare&racket

Physics encompasses atomic interactions, but it isn't chemistry.....

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Gangs brawl in a Birmingham Cinema UK

by punkofnice in

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10409135/birmingham-star-city-fight-evacuated-blue-story-gang/.

i don't normally bother with the gutter press, but this was interesting.. what they didn't show was that the faces of the kids, probably due to their age.. i saw the picture before it was pixelled out.

interesting that the kids with the machettes looked like members of the religion of peace.. just sayin'.. interesting to see what low life scum the film was about.. good grief, can't the jobos be right and armageddon(tm) come?.

snare&racket

All this assumption from the colour of their skin......

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Besides Everlasting Life What Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Offer To Anyone?

by minimus in

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i have been thinking... why would anyone want to join the religion or actually stay in the organization.

i understand that people don’t want to lose their loving family and dear friends so some stay in.

but what does anyone really ever get because they are jehovah’s witnesses??.

snare&racket

Not far off Nigerian email scam...

We are royalty, give money to us now to help us get our kingdoms assets and you will be repaid one thousand fold....... ‘soon’

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Besides Everlasting Life What Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Offer To Anyone?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i have been thinking... why would anyone want to join the religion or actually stay in the organization.

i understand that people don’t want to lose their loving family and dear friends so some stay in.

but what does anyone really ever get because they are jehovah’s witnesses??.

snare&racket

‘Besides everlasting life....’ Thats already quite an offer already but.....

Resurrection of you

Resurrection of loved ones

Return to Youth

Good Health

Good Looks

Land and a big beautiful House

Food

Clothing

Security

A Purpose

It’s not complicated, they simply offer the satisfaction of every human need, fear and want.

They hold it behind a curtain of ‘we promise it’s just through there’ .... just give us your unwavering money, time, loyalty and efforts NOW and you can have everything without a catch in the ‘future’...... real ‘soon’.

What’s that? You have questions? ...”OUT!”

It is a textbook con.

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How Much of the WT Teaching Did You Believe?

by Ding in

some people on this forum have said that they never really believed any aspect of wt teaching, that they couldn't wait to get free of it all.. others seems to have been really gung ho, believing it all until something happened that got you questioning "the truth.".

i would say my own high water mark was about 50%, which put me squarely on the fence, trying to decide if i should be in or out.. how about you?.

Maybe learn to juggle?