Posts by snare&racket

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What JW beliefs did you used to hate trying to defend?

by DuvanMuvan in

as one of the jw "young ones" i was always expected to witness to my friends at school if i wanted to make god's heart glad or whatever but i didn't.

the closest i ever got was just explaining why we didn't celebrate christmasetc.

even then i was just reciting things i read in publications.. one topic i always tried to avoid talking about was birthdays.

snare&racket

anything to do with money...... and it just got harder.....

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Is this new donation arrangement for real?

by nugget in

just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

snare&racket

i want to know what the consequences of saying no is, or not meeting the payment levels...

Jehovah's Witnesses don't pass a collection plate.......they command you to set up a direct debit!

The second you get baptised, you basically commit to paying HQ as a member! instant debt for no otjer reason than it is commanded by men that intepret the bible to say they can ask that of you AND you may not question their authority.

if people ignore this red flag, well nothing will shake them awake!

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Atheists, here is a 'balls' question ---even for all---

by prologos in

it is very difficult to knock a ball into a hole (like golf), throw it into a receiver's hands (american football) intercept it and knock it over the fence (american cricket).

or to put a sattelite at the right time at the right speed in the right direction in the right place to have it orbit another body, so :.

what ingenious natural & process is it, than can get 9+ zillions bodies to get into the right orbit simultaniously or sequentially and have them remain there for billions of years?

snare&racket

boom.....

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Have the bible highlights talk... All suggestions accepted!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so i have the bible highlights talk this week.. exodus 1-4 i think?.

i would love to drop a thought provoking comment into my talk... any suggestions?.

so far i have been thinking of showing how violent god was to the egyptians.

snare&racket

You have to remember, you stay for loved ones, we left loved ones behind. who are sat listening to these talks too.... it causes upset and pain.

Nobody is hating, it is just a painful experience for all involved.

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Have the bible highlights talk... All suggestions accepted!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so i have the bible highlights talk this week.. exodus 1-4 i think?.

i would love to drop a thought provoking comment into my talk... any suggestions?.

so far i have been thinking of showing how violent god was to the egyptians.

snare&racket

You have to remember, you stay for loved ones, we left loved ones behind. who are sat listening to these talks too.... it causes upset and pain.

Nobody is hating, it is just a painful experience for all involved.

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Order in the universe

by Rattigan350 in

this topic was covered in book study last night.

some commented that the universe is ordered and the stars don't collide.. that has nothing to do with order.

it is more to do with that there is more space between the stars and planets and things go between them if they were in the same area.. and do they not consider that the many things that colliided with the moon to make those crators?.

snare&racket

prologos, no offence but it is sounding a bit silly now. Go grab a astrophysics textbook..... or shhhhh lol

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Have the bible highlights talk... All suggestions accepted!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so i have the bible highlights talk this week.. exodus 1-4 i think?.

i would love to drop a thought provoking comment into my talk... any suggestions?.

so far i have been thinking of showing how violent god was to the egyptians.

snare&racket

Forgive him, i used to blow off at elders here and people doing talks....... to give you context, it is like being outcast for wanting equality for blacks and whites, then watching people who claim to secretly agree and likely do, have a role in the KKK hierarchy or ask for advice on doing a talk at a white supremasist rally...

Honestly, the apparent hypocrisy from our side of the fence can be highly angering, it seems obvious that having some balls and standing up for what is right is far more honourable and effective than staying quiet.... nevermind if you have kids and fill their head with it all too.

Either Watchtower is very harmless or it is not, if you think it is.....time is an issue as people are being introduced to it daily.

You see it just seems that wrong to stay involved morally, once you leave.... but it id also complex, ....so forgive the sharp tongue.

snare x

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Have the bible highlights talk... All suggestions accepted!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so i have the bible highlights talk this week.. exodus 1-4 i think?.

i would love to drop a thought provoking comment into my talk... any suggestions?.

so far i have been thinking of showing how violent god was to the egyptians.

snare&racket

Tik i understand your anger, but we can't jusdge buddy.

He is right everybody, there is no way you will make a point strong enough to reach anyone because you will be called an apostate and taken off the platform, be honest if you are going ahead with doing a talk, you certainly are not planning to say anything significant! Instead it will fall flat and or over their heads. So tik is right, you are here asking for help so you can mislead 100 people... its a cult remember, none of it is true...

There is no upside!

One of the reasons I am here today, is that a long time pioneer, elder and friend of the family, whilst I was about 12. Got up on the platform one sunday in his hall far away...and told his congregation the REAL DEAL.

THAT is how you do it. He told them he loved them, he said he understood what would happen and he told them what he thought using the bible. He was a member here and his talk is linked here somewhere.

Despite being on the Islands above Scotland this reached us the other side of the country, i knew he was a top bloke and I knew he must have had good intentions and it planted a huge seed in my head, I actually spoke to him yesterday.

So lets be honest, you dont REALLY want to say anything 'apostate' otherwise you would not be so covert, you dont want it to be an overt message, so just like every other talk given to the hypnotised 100 ......it wont mean a jot, just make you feel good matey, which i understand, I do.

But in reality you are still just feeding their plants for them with 95% Watchtower dung.....

Snare x

ps the talk that was uploaded here recently, that some contributed to...when I heard it, it just sounded like normal WT drone...bet he didn't raise a single eyebrow.

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in today's Watch Tower, Brooklyn/Patterson contradicted Jesus.- the Pattern.

by prologos in

in paragraph 17 the wt writer alleged that we can not know the exact day and hour, "--but we can and do know the season--"-- we are living in that season--"but.

when jesus was asked a simlar to the wt theme question about the kingdom "--when --"or:.

" lord are you restoring the kingdom at this time?--".

snare&racket

It is all irrelevant..... there is no Armageddon coming and Watchtower by their actions don't believe it either, building new HQ's and restructuring the religion in big ways.

I have never met a single witness that lived like they knew the world was ending, rather they were in love with the idea of it. Quite horrendous really. A countdown to mass genocide....

snare x

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in today's Watch Tower, Brooklyn/Patterson contradicted Jesus.- the Pattern.

by prologos in

in paragraph 17 the wt writer alleged that we can not know the exact day and hour, "--but we can and do know the season--"-- we are living in that season--"but.

when jesus was asked a simlar to the wt theme question about the kingdom "--when --"or:.

" lord are you restoring the kingdom at this time?--".

snare&racket

Those 8 window cleaners in brooklyn, have never until now claimed to have a role in defining words, that is the role of dictionaries and linguists. It is shameful.

I specifically remember them defining generation as the complete opposite for all my life as a JW..... what changed APART from the 1914 generation dying off proving them wrong. Assuming a 1day old baby in 1914 was the generation reffered to and a witness to the events of that year (ridiculous), then all but a few are now dead.

They literally have no limits to their unconscionable acts. THIS GENERATION WILL BY NO MEANS ....PASS AWAY. every single word in that sentence prove their new teaching simply wrong, even ignoring their redefinition of the word generation.

The first of the three generations they claim exist, clearly have passed away, totally contradicting the verse. There is no other verse to defend their desicion, they are using human thought over their holy text.......again. The word used there is unambigous...THIS.....generation indicating that generations are seperate from one another.

Then there is ....BY NO MEANS....PASS AWAY...which is quite specific, yet WT are teaching they have passed away but the generation reffers to other people now... that right there is WT providing a means for that generation to have done the exact opposite, to have passed away.

Come on, it is getting ridiculous, give up !