Posts by snare&racket

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Convention Weirdness

by BlackWolf in

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friends

well i just got back from 3 days in hell, and geez was this convention strange or what?

im sure someone's probably made a topic about this already but i can't believe that there weren't any new releases besides the movies.

has that ever happened before?

snare&racket

I remember a memorable stage in leaving the JW's....

i went to a circuit assembly, one where I had given talks in the past, had been baptised in front of all the hundreds of people still around me then, that I considered friends, almost family. I had help refurbish the very building I was in, I painted the ceiling above me gold.

i looked around and for the first time felt like I simply didn't belong. It was like I was watching it all go on from afar, the spell had broken and I no longer believed any of it and it was a very surreal experience.

Everyone around me was in a zombie like state listening to .....pure gibberish, a hard sell, a world view that now seemed so foreign and bizzare despite me being a very involved JW pioneer, bethelite, RBC construction volunteer not that long ago.

That was 10 years ago. The beliefs held by JW's now seem so foreign and frankly bananas.... I can't believe I was ever one,

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Welcome to all the Newbies in the last six months

by smiddy in

jw
friends

i think all of us on this forum would like to welcome all the newbies that have joined in the last six months or so ,if i`m not mistaken there seems to be an influx lately.. elders , ms ,and sisters.

speak up and make a comment , are you happy you came here ?.

we`d love to here from you.. smiddy.

snare&racket

Every person that leaves makes us happy, not because we are evil and it's the truth... that's not how humans work despite the JW bedtime story villain perspective the JW's have of the real world.....

we are just happy to see people emotionally, mentally and spiritually free.....

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I don't like the person i am becoming...

by SpunkedTeen in

jw
friends

i have not been active here lately just lurking mostly but i have no one to talk to and i need some help i guess.i started working out and became friends with my personal trainer(we went to school together).i started going out with him(lying to my mother about what i was doing,another thing to add to the list of lies,it's becoming too easy!

) and i notice i'm slowly becoming the worldy people that the jw's described.i've become very selfish and rude and very apathetic towards everything and everyone.i always thought the values that jw's taught were really good.if i cut ties with the only friend i have now , i would probably slip into a deep depression and i that is something that i want to avoid at all costs.i start university in january and my plan was to stick it out in the organisation until i got my degree and became fully independant but as of late a elder told me i am being considered to become a m.s and told me what i need to work on and since then the other elders have been nagging me to work on the same things.i'm trying to rid my self of my 'priveleges' in the cong but nothings working...if anyone has experienced a similar situation what advice would you give?

, oh and my mom was always super into the religion having been a pioneer and bethel worker for years but we went to the regional convention two weeks ago and now she is even more exasperating (for example a sister asked my why i was 19 years old and not a ms or serving at bethel yet, which is fine i've learnt how to deal with these questions but when i told my mother whom has always been content with me just being in the religion and never pushed me towards anything asked me if i was happy with what i was and if i would not be happier at bethel or regular pioneering.

snare&racket

You have been brainwashed to dislike what is normal, it takes time to readjust.

Trust me, in ten years time you will realise how judgmental and weird the JW view of normal people is and how odd JW's can be,

love yourself and make yourself happy....its totally cool to do that

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According to one JW there can only be 1 of 3 reasons why you left.

by Bonsai in

i asked an old jw friend of mine why so many baptized individuals leave the jw religion.

"did it ever occur to you, old friend, that maybe they know something that you don't know and have valid reasons for leaving?

", i asked.. his response set me back for an answer.

snare&racket

It is impossible, literally impossible for them to include legitimate reasons for leaving as they believe it's the truth,

The easiest approach I found is read Deut 18: 20-22 (a false prophet is one that makes predictions that don't come true) then list as many predictions they have gotten wrong as you know and say... who is responsible for the people that leave for,following that verse?

But remember.....if you could reason with such believers, there wouldn't be any believers to try to reason with.

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ls homosexuality really normal?

by atomant in

l know animals do it but their animals.they dont live by a moral code.the thought of 2 men going for it is not normal.what are your thoughts?.

snare&racket

😮

that is all......

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Is remaining ignorant a choice?

by stuckinarut2 in

is remaining ignorant about the society a choice?.

surely every witness has a moment in time when "something just doesn't seem right"?

perhaps a teaching, doctrine, an article, a talk, a news report about child abuse handling, or a jwdubdotorg broadcast, a video, a cartoon for the kids....you know....?.

snare&racket

It applies to many situations such as people living in fascist regimes, like in North Korea, the facts are the facts but ignorance will keep you alive.

i have always said for me, it is a decision of TRUTH v's COMFORT

I have pondered this for 15 years now and I have found only one reason to justify the ignorance and defend the comfort that I can't argue with. If you were in a river and sure to drown, you look and see a branch, it's the only one currently and only one evidently around, you look and see it is rotten and of no substance, it WILL break when you grab hold of it.....

Will you grab hold of it anyway?......

Tough question to answer as an atheist....and as a human.

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The bOrg Cult Tactics

by pale.emperor in

i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.

from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.

like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.

snare&racket

I want to say no....

But then what person encourages, no demands.... fear of knowledge, education or information?

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Can a full healing from cult ever be accomplished

by Chook in

can all indoctrination leave a person , or does it linger in background till death..

snare&racket

The brain is very plastic and develops by our experiences and knowledge. It's the perspective and window via which we eventually see the world. I was in for 25 yrs and I have no doubt that some JW triggers will still exist when (if) I am old and grey,

The good news is, this is not necessarily a bad thing. Bad experiences can have positive effects. Look around you when you leave, even undoctrinated people have a tough life and their own demons. Ours were unique to a belief system, that's all.

My experience with the JW's has taught me to critically appraise all information and personalities I come across. It's now my most potent protection, if not a little too defensive. If I ever have the privilege of children it will be the most important thing I teach them!....... and I learned that by being lost in indoctrination.

Opportunity often comes disguised as misfortune or temporary defeat....

The most important thing is to pursue feeling happy!

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I want to understand violence

by Chook in

tell me your thoughts ?.

snare&racket

The moment animals ate animals 'violence' was born. All want to live, but none want to die......conflict is inevitable. When a thinking living creature survives by consuming/defeating another thinking living creature, for food or to procreate, there is the need for outsmarting snd overpowering another. No animal will subject itself to another without a good reason (some may for complex altruistic calculated reasons in the hope others may for their offspring/genetic releatives) and what is the alternative other than violence? Animals that survive in packs, colonies have developed social constraints as it is .......beneficial for the group and the individual!

Humans have developed reasoning as it is less risky than boxing, but every Saturday night will prove that we are still primitive!

Violence is a difficult term to pin down.... is it violent to kill a chicken as we do in the millions ..to make it into a KFC? Is it violent for a lion to take down a gazelle? What about one tribe dominating another for respect in order to dominate that region? What about two tribes ...separated by football shirts?

As a rule, asking "Why?" with regard to behaviour in humans and animals, the answer comes quite easily when pondering how the mechanism came about and what environmental factors led to that trait evolving.

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Old Letter to the Governing Body

by WITNESS-FOR-WATCHTOWER-REFORM in

this is an older letter i wrote to the gb in october last year in regards to their policy around shunning of dissociated ones.

the letter doesn't focus on the disfellowshiped, but am in the process right now of writing to them regarding their recent watchtower on shunning disfellowshipped relatives.. the letter i wrote back in october rambles on a bit, but wanted to express my frustration to the governing body about their very unfair policy toward those who simply choose to leave.. regards.

the governing body.

snare&racket

Did they ever love you enough to reply with a logical scriptural response?