Well handled, with so much respect displayed, it's difficult for them to dismiss you. It may change that young JW's life..... one day....you never know. At the very least it may contribute a tiny seed of contemplation.
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First Proper Chat With the JWs in Almost 11 Years
by passwordprotected insince disassociating in october 2008, i've had little to no direct contact with the jws, apart from immediate family members (ie my parents).
i've lived in my rented flat since may 2014 and haven't had a knock on the door in that whole time.
until saturday morning.
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If Heaven is such a good place then how was it ever allowed to get to the state where a war was necessary.?
by smiddy3 ina precedent has been established .if it happened once it can happen again..
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Worse.... who invented War? Who invented swords?.....
The spinning blades at eden.
You can't accept the bible without accepting it's god is a god of war.... a god of profound violence!
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What is the housing / accomodation living conditions of all of the Governing Body Members ? Does anybody know ?
by smiddy3 ini would be very curious to know what standard of living they have .
and what type of housing each member has and what type of accomadation do they have and even what type of areas they are living in .
unlike many of the rank & file members who live in housing estates provided for the low income earners and pensioners ?
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Back in 2000, the UK bethel, overseers had quite the different rooms to everyone else. In the first week of induction you spend a few days cleaning with some females, the wives of bethelites. Assigned to the overseer rooms were local single sisters, they were related/"fleshly" to each other too.
We had to scrub around their personal toilets with dedicated tooth brushes, i kid you not. There is a reason bethel wives have burnout and emotional fatigue etc, they go to bethel and really, really didn't expect to be doing that!
Anyway, we went to a wing that had trees outside snd the little bed of water, they were still the crappy sized rooms BUT there walls were lined with oak and green leather. They didn't have a paper thin wall or shitty bed, they had an opulent room. Don't get me wrong, being someone that age and being allowed to 'live' in a cults room whilst you slave for them is no luxury.
I had to comment because I saw it with my own eyes, The cleaner actually brought it up, askedmifnit had bothered me. She said that people donate generously to these men for all they do, so they have nicer things,
Keep in mind our allowance was ?£10 a week for supposedly ALL bethelites,
I look back now, ashamed and angry at what they were taking from young, dedicated people. Bethel destroyed so many marriages,
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Need to vent. I am thinking of leaving my wife.
by goingthruthemotions ini am so sick of this cult, this religion has such a grip on her.
since i left in 2014, things just are getting progressively worse.
and she it's just getting deeper and deeper.
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Talking to her will give you your answer...... you must express it. She can't divorce you as per JW rules so there is nothing to lose.
Hmmm.....I wonder if they will change the rules to allow divorce of partners that leave the WT. They have put the partners 'spiritual life in danger'... hmmm
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Science and Watchtower's astounding ignorance
by Diogenesister inwell these goof balls at jwbroadcast apparently think the study of pure science means not having any "practical application".
oi vey.
sanderson may speak russian but he is so ill educated he appears to think that researching a subject and formulating a theory about it means that's the end of it - in other words he's saying it has no practical use.
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This is why window cleaners do not make good cult leaders.....The ignorant bucket head is broadcasting his anti science ....via the INTERNET.
The irony of their stupidity is comical, the consequences of their anti science, anti progress, anti knowledge is less funny.....if you decide to follow these chosen few, these holy window cleaners of North America.
Watchtower are now LITERALLY PROMOTING IGNORANCE.... finally some honesty.
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Question for Current and Ex Elders
by Iamallcool inhave you ever reinstate somebody even if they are not that repentant?.
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It's shocking that random men had such huge influence in someone's life and consequential mental/physical well being. The person's future dependent on such arbitrary things as underlining their WT or singing. That whether the elders probing went deeper or not, relied on if they liked the person...
How disgusting,
People have lost children and their families, suffered depression, committed suicide over these decisions.
I sincerely would struggle to sleep at night had I become an elder.
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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Is that really true?
6 a year!
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Anthony Morris looking for members with construction skills..Now and after Armageddon
by RULES & REGULATIONS inhere is a screenshot from a youtube video (521 and the circus continues) where anthony morris blasts post-secondary college & university education.
''we will not need doctors or lawyers after armageddon.
so, anthony...what occupations do the society need '' today'' and after armageddon?
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"I want a house by the sea, errrmmmm a pet tiger .....and the best Manhattan lawyer this side of Armageddon!"
if anyone needs a good attorney come 'judgment day' at the end of the 1000 year reign, it's the guys that let kids die of blood loss and suffer abuse to church seniors and then cover it up with widespread destruction of evidence.
But sure go ahead..... turn up on 'judgment day' with a roofer or carpet fitter representing you! That is one episode of 'Jude Jehovah' we will all be glued to.... "the cases are real, the rulings are final, the lawyers are all wearing hard hats."
As a doctor who has saved many lives, I'll be watching from the sidelines with interest.
Thank Zeus, this is all a fiction.....well, apart from the rampant child abuse and child death at the hands of these 'men'.
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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.......or just read The Watchtower and Awake and be the smartest person you know!
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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It depends on what you want to achieve, what career you want. Some professions require a degree, nursing, medicine, engineering, finance etc. If these are the careers someone seeks passionately, then a degree via higher education is necessary.
Higher education isn't for everyone, but from my experience it is the most life changing activity I have participated in. I saw first hand how very powerful a mechanism it was for transformation and I promote higher education to everyone that will listen. My nephew was working in pizza hut, JW parents, he worked hard at school, attended University to study finance and now works in London for a prestigious finance firm, on an extraordinary wage straight out of university. My sister was middle aged, exJW with no schooling of use, no career, attended college then university and was a year from graduating as a midwife only that personal issues hampered her from finishing. I was a JW window cleaner and labourer, now a medical physician and University lecturer.
As for debating professors.... well, professors love to debate and argue! I would disagree with my lecturers on issues without any consequence. As a lecturer now, I enjoy interacting with students willing to care enough to challenge a point of view.
I never saw any lecturer/professor heavily promote personal politics or personal beliefs in lectures and certainly nobody was hindered for their opinions, that was in 6 years of university education. There were many debates and discussions whereby ethics were discussed and opinions varied wildly. We were encouraged to recognise there was no right or wrong answers, but that we were to consider everyone's point of view and the legal requirements.
I now attend a masters in medical education and we debate educational theory with our lectures all day long and they encourage it! If you can defend your point of view with evidence, you are fine. In fact, unique and controversial arguments are what all students seek as they score highest in assignments for being different and thought provoking.
It could not be further from the life of a JW, as a student you are encouraged to believe nothing, critically appraise everything, construct your own point of view based on evidence and then test it for its function and efficiency. There is no hierarchy of power, that just isn't how education works, education evolves so quickly, the students become the lecturers and the evidence improves/changes daily.....anyone holding tightly to outdated/non-substantive views lose confidence.
I sincerely believe that those arguing against higher education and making points about politics and professors, have clearly not attended higher education facilities. In 2008, I was posting on this forum about how surprised I was to be allowed to question, how freeing it felt. That I had open access to the professors to debate them unlike elders/overseers or the GB. It was life changing to witness and experience it.
I am totally aware of the issues in America with Left/Right battle lines being drawn on university campuses. The convoluted dialogue between social sciences, psychology and philosophy departments appear to be muddying the waters not bringing clarity, This isn't surprising, these departments and experts are tackling new social issues with huge consequences for society, with much emotion, tribalism and political footballing going on from all sides. These debates and discussions should be taking place and it will be interesting to see what the future holds. The quicker they respect one another and respect each others free speech, the sooner they will mitigate the issues.
Lastly, for those that don't think higher education is for them, including some entrepreneur heroes of mine....great! I'm sure it isn't for everyone. It was a brutal 6 years of hellish study, 16hr Library sessions, crushing workloads and what seemed impossible finishing lines to cross. It wasn't always emotionally or psychologically healthy to be so academically driven and focused for so long.