i have a vague memory of jws having some objection to logos of some kind in the past, which might be a contradiction to the recent addition of the jw.org logo.. please can someone enlighten me on what their stance used to be regarding logos?.
*** km 9/74 p. 8 Question Box ***
As Jehovah’s servants we.....................do not want to give others the impression that the Tetragrammaton
is the symbol of Jehovah’s witnesses as a whole. We have no organizational symbol to identify ourselves but show
that we are Jehovah’s Christian witnesses by living in harmony with God’s will.—John 13:35.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/30380007/jws-identified-symbol
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(I now hate this moniker)
as we know, we can search the bible from cover to cover and we dont find any reference to the governing body.
not now, it has been slipped in for the outine of contents for acts 15. here we are looking at history through a modern, distorting lens.. outline of contents.
dispute in antioch regarding circumcision (1, 2)question brought to jerusalem (3-5)elders and apostles meet together (6-21)letter from the governing body (22-29)?
Shortly before I was 'awakened' I was witnessing to a Greek guy, who insisted the Bible said this and the Bible said that, turned out he was quoting from the extensive commentary in a translation by one P. Trembelas. So I feel all commentaries should be kept well away from the text body of the Bible.
As has been said, sneaky!.
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since it seems most study watchtowers are all about worshipping the gb, i decided to look at oct of this year through jan 2014 study watchtowers and list the title of the study article, then the rewritten title to show what the point and teaching for the jw's to take home was.
i did that to see if it taught anything not having to do with gb worship, obeying, etc.
study article titled by the watchtowerfixing the title name based on the content of the articlecreation reveals the living god oct 2013only through the gb's published material can you discern god's qualitiesslave for jehovah oct 2013slave for the governing bodylessons from a well prepared prayer oct 2013confess to the elders or you won't get god's forgivenessact in harmony with jesus loving prayer oct 2013being regular at meetings is how you pass jesus requirement of lovenov 2013 be vigilant with a view to prayersdon't complain to god about your horrible life as a result from listening to the gb, and pray to not slow down on your field servicehow can we maintain a waiting attitude?ignore that the gb are false prophets and pretend that the end having not come is jehovah's patience.
Good table. pity you didn't include paragraph numbers where they pass-off the real intent.
I still attend for the misses, but agree regardless of title, article is just a vehicle for their wants and desires.
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it came to me to send my wife's bible study an anonymous e-mail with some info on jws, perhaps the pdf pamphlete on jwfacts, or now the lattest news articles from the independent/telegraph etc.
i feel it might make me a bit of a low-down.
on the other hand i'm really curious as to what the outcome could be.. should i?.
Thank you oz, I'll have to be careful, the misses is pretty smart. We've had some words over doctrine.
it came to me to send my wife's bible study an anonymous e-mail with some info on jws, perhaps the pdf pamphlete on jwfacts, or now the lattest news articles from the independent/telegraph etc.
i feel it might make me a bit of a low-down.
on the other hand i'm really curious as to what the outcome could be.. should i?.
It came to me to send my wife's bible study an anonymous e-mail with some info on JWs, perhaps the pdf pamphlete on jwfacts, or now the lattest news articles from the Independent/Telegraph etc. I feel it might make me a bit of a low-down. On the other hand I'm really curious as to what the outcome could be.
Should I?
AM
this explanation is extracted from the reasoning book, page 205. .
jesus foretold for our day this work: this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
he also instructed his followers: go .
Right @GLT, because the leaders tell them to. And if someone with a penchant for controlling others wins your confidence, you're screwed.
Since reading Acts without the WT shackles, I don't agree with either 'house-to-house' quote's application. They're misunderstood or misaplied (Rutherford, you prick).
Acts 4:32 the multitude of those who had believed ... 33 Also, with great power the apostles continued giving forth the witness concerning the resurrection of the Lord Jesus;
Acts 5:12 Moreover, through the hands of the apostles many signs and portents continued to occur among the people; and they were all with one accord in Sol´o·mon’s colonnade. 13 True, not a one of the others had the courage to join himself to them;
Acts 5:41 These, therefore, went their way from before the San´he·drin, rejoicing because they [the apostles] had been counted worthy to be dishonored in behalf of his name. 42 And every day in the temple and from house to house they [the apostles] continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.
It seems clear to me none of the multitude were involved in preaching in any form whatsoever. The apostles were just making home visits on the disciples. Something similar applies at Acts 20:20.
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this exerpt is taken from the july 15,2011 issue of the wt.
study article for sept 19-25th.
(bolding mines) this was under the subheading "when someone we love leaves jehovah".
@oodad The problem with most active JWs is that their Critical Thinking Skills are zero or below!
Sad but true. I will readily admit that this sums up my JW exitstence. Since I have found INFO via the net, my greatest freedom is the freedom to think.
we've all seen the line-by-line comparison of john 1:1 with the addition of "a god" when "was god" is visible in the left margin under "theos" in the infamous grimace/barney/grape crush purple bible book.
i'd check for myself, but unfortunately, i hastily rid my house of all things wt in a purging fit while beginning my fade.
and let me tell you, the fire was spectacular!
@moggy lover__probably an over translation,....good English equivalent for the Greek would be "being obsessed"
Excellent ML
(Sorry, didn't see your post before posting)
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we've all seen the line-by-line comparison of john 1:1 with the addition of "a god" when "was god" is visible in the left margin under "theos" in the infamous grimace/barney/grape crush purple bible book.
i'd check for myself, but unfortunately, i hastily rid my house of all things wt in a purging fit while beginning my fade.
and let me tell you, the fire was spectacular!
'Sickness' is perfectly accepable. It seems that the two words disease and sickness, are interchangeable in everyday speech.
Inserting the word 'mentally' (NWT, 1 Tim. 6:4), is taking a bit of a liberty with translation. But then to blanket apply 'mentally diseased' to all who disagree or who leave the JWs is offensive and stupid.
Miriam Webster: Sickness (noun):
1. Impairment of normal physiological function affecting part or all of an organism.[Wordnet]
2. Defectiveness or unsoundness; "drugs have become a sickness they cannot cure"; "a great sickness of his judgment".[Wordnet]
3. The state that precedes vomiting.[Wordnet]
4. The quality or state of being sick or diseased; illness; sisease or malady.[Websters]
5. Nausea; qualmishness; as, sickness of stomach.[Websters].
Miriam Webster: Disease (noun):
1. An impairment of health or a condition of abnormal functioning.[Wordnet]
2. Lack of ease; uneasiness; trouble; vexation; disquiet.[Websters]
3. An alteration in the state of the body or of some of its organs, interrupting or disturbing the performance of the vital functions, and causing or threatening pain and weakness; malady; affection; illness; sickness; disorder; -- applied figuratively to the mind, to the moral character and habits, to institutions, the state, etc.[Websters].
Miriam Webster: Disease (verb):
1. To deprive of ease; to disquiet; to trouble; to distress.[Websters]
2. To derange the vital functions of; to afflict with disease or sickness; to disorder; -- used almost exclusively in the participle diseased.[Websters]
3. Base verb from the following inflections: diseasing, diseased, diseases, diseaser, diseasers, diseasingly and diseasedly.[Eve - graph theoretic]
Vine's
<A-3,Noun,3554,nosos>
akin to Lat. nocere, "to injure" (Eng., "nosology"), is the regular word for "disease, sickness," Matt. 4:23; 8:17; 9:35; 10:1, RV, "disease," AV, "sickness;" in Matt. 4:24; Mark 1:34; Luke 4:40; 6:17; 9:1; Acts 19:12, AV and RV render it "diseases." In Luke 7:21, AV has "infirmities." The most authentic mss. omit the word in Mark 3:15. See SICKNESS.
Other translations on 1 Timothy 6:4
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,
King James Bible
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Douay-Rheims Bible
He is proud, knowing nothing, but sick about questions and strifes of words; from which arise envies, contentions, blasphemies, evil suspicions,
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as most of us here are aware the wt society is using the " kool-aid " , or witness only version as i call it - to indoctrinate and intimidate jw members through fear and guilt to avoid anything that takes their devotion and attention away from allegiance to the wt society's ambitions.
so the wt society is amping up it's control methods once again in various articles in this issue as well.. first off - notice this quote from page 14 , paragraph 16 , regarding how " dangerous " allegedly the internet is.
it states, " these desires ( of the world ) involve such things as promiscuity, prominence , and possessions.
@flipper 'the WT society is really intruding past proper boundaries'
Yes, indeed it now gets my goat that the leadership wants to prescribe everything for their followers, why don't they mind their f'ing business. The group conscience of the GB is handed down for all to follow on subjects as diverse as 'manipulating spouses genitals' or 'to drink coffee or not'.
For the watchtower being discussed here, for those who want to see it, go to
http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/w_E_20111115.pdf
Greetings to all
p.s. good comments
