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  What If?

  by Farkel in

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  if the wts was able to have its own country here in earth, would it:.

  1) forbid the preaching of any other religion?.

  2) execute anyone who questioned its authority?.

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  At least Moslem fanatics can look forward to
  seventy virgins in their version of paradise.

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  Class Action Lawsuit

  by mikepence in

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  i am seriously considering finding out what is involved in putting together a lawsuit against the wts.

  one that all xjw's in the us can join in.. has the wts not violated our civil rights, taken away our right to choose, without bias, how to live our lives?

  were not our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness violated?

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  I agree with ISP. The charitable status, particularily in Europe,
  is very vunerable. By what stretch of the imagination does
  the WTS deserve tax breaks for doing charity? Why should taxpayers
  subsidize a religion's efforts to make more converts?
  All religions should be required to do acknowledged charity in return for tax breaks.

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  Class Action Lawsuit

  by mikepence in

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  i am seriously considering finding out what is involved in putting together a lawsuit against the wts.

  one that all xjw's in the us can join in.. has the wts not violated our civil rights, taken away our right to choose, without bias, how to live our lives?

  were not our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness violated?

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  I think one of the Amish shunning cases suggested that the court
  system would not intervene even when economic damage had occurred.

  If we had more information/ documents from the "inside", I think
  you could prove that the Society has been involved in violating
  financial laws in other countries - I also think that bribery
  has been swept under the rug, both in the US and abroad. Contrary
  to what some may think, holy spirit doesn't always open doors.

  I think the time is ripe for legal restrictions on door to door
  preaching. It's rather amazing that anyone with a criminal record
  can go door to door with no police interference - including
  child molesters within the organization. I really doubt they
  could muster the kind of fanatical support they used to have
  in Rutherford's day - I also doubt they'd even try civil
  disobedience as a response to door to door restrictions.

  As for the molestation issue, I hope they get nailed.
  It would be wonderful to see the liability rise up the
  organizational ladder too.

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  Boring Meetings are Intentional, Folks!

  by metatron in

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  long, boring, repetitive meetings are intentional.

  an accident.

  ever experiment with autohypnosis or autosuggestion?

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  Long, boring, repetitive meetings are INTENTIONAL. They are NOT
  an accident. Please consider:

  Ever experiment with autohypnosis or autosuggestion? How about
  affirmations to change a bad habit like smoking? You are attempting
  to relax and program your subconscious. Closing your eyes helps
  to establish alpha brainwaves suitable for such programming.

  The meetings don't exist to promote thinking ability or rational
  inquiry. The Watchtower Study in particular is NOT designed to
  encourage reasoning - it is intended to produce conformity.

  I admit that dismissing JW meetings as hypnosis might seem a
  bit extreme. However, they clearly are akin to that mental process.
  Turning the matter around, what better opportunity could you
  imagine to put people in a state where reasoning is dulled and
  programming is easily put in place than meetings of JWs?

  How does the hypnotic process begin? (in cliche's, at least)

  "You are getting sleeply..... sleepy.....sleepy"
  "You are hearing nothing but the sound of my voice" (i.e. pay attention).

  A little repetition is appropriate for education
  Constant repetition is not - it is an attempt at mind control.

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  What do you think about Evolution debates?

  by rem in

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  what do you think about evolution debates?.

  this is not going to be a thread about which theory is correct.

  i want to ask the board if anyone has actually found these discussions on evolution to be beneficial to themselves.

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  In regard to creation/evolution issues, I wonder if any
  philosopher has ever argued that God's presence is affected
  by scale.

  Here in the "real world", I can accomplish a lot.
  Down at the microscopic level, intervention is pretty
  tough. Everything is too small and numerous. Maybe there
  is a Divinity that shapes our ends but only across vast
  expanses of time and distance.

  Hey, with that junk DNA and 'throwbacks' to past genetic
  code, what about freak cats that get born with "wings"?
  (Fortean Times).

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  Biggest Can-O-Worms in a LONG Time

  by Adam in

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  so what does everyone think about this whole human cloning thing our intreped scientists recently accomplished?

  i haven't read up enough and discussed enough to formulate a rock solid opinion on all the ins and outs of the whole issue, and i like to have rock solid opinions on just about everything (but i don't push my views on anyone or consider opposing views "wrong," that's something else i have a strong opinion about).

  i have been away for a few days so if this has been covered, please accept my appologies for the repetition and direct me to the appropriate subject heading.

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  Most of this cloning issue is just plain silly.

  Human clones have existed for centuries - big deal!
  (Identical twins)

  I don't waste a nanosecond worrying about some nutball
  cloning himself. I want the government to GET OUT OF THE WAY
  so science can move forward.

  Wanna see the lame walk, the blind see, paralyzed people
  move again? This is the way - regrowing whatever is needed
  as new FULLY COMPATIBLE organs. You don't have to regrow
  a whole person!!!!! Just the stuff you want!

  Religious leaders were publically opposed to ANESTHESIA,
  for God's sake! (They thought pain was ordained by God).
  History should tell us - stop the foot dragging, get on
  with human progress!

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  "Do-Nothingism" as Deliberate Strategy

  by metatron in

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  hope springs eternal, when the subject is the ethical reform.

  of the watchtower.

  scandals arise - and expectations develop.

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  Hope springs eternal, when the subject is the ethical reform
  of the Watchtower. Scandals arise - and expectations develop
  that the Society will suddenly burst forth with newfound
  (yes, Virginia , NEWfound!) honesty and humility - whether at
  special meetings or elsewhere.

  Child abuse, the UN deceptions, blood deceit and so forth.
  Any normal, moral organization would apologize and correct
  matters - but not this pack of Pharisees. History tells us so!

  Consider a quote from Crisis of Conscience pg.209 where the
  false prophecy of 1975's aftermath is discussed:

  "In 1976,a year after the passing of that widely publicized date,
  a few members of the Governing body began urging that some statement
  should be made acknowledging that the organization had been in error,
  had stimulated false expectations. Others said they did not think we
  should, that it would "just give ammunition to opposers". Milton
  Henschel recommended that the wise course would be simply not to
  bring the matter up and that in time the brothers would stop talking
  about it."

  The organization's responsibility for this falsehood was only
  acknowledged indirectly after TWO years of publisher decreases
  had been observed.(in the March 15, 1980 Watchtower).

  Molested children? U.N.? Blood issue? Don't worry brothers,
  it'll all go away. You'll see- they'll just stop talking
  about it.

  I hope the internet proves them wrong. Perhaps if they are
  hounded relentlessly with reminders - and fresh defections,
  they may find do nothingism to be a failed policy.

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  70 Hour Pio's & 15 Min Pubs

  by metatron in

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  let's see here - according to the latest rumor.

  you can be a regular publisher by putting in 15 minutes.

  a month.. you can be a regular pioneer by putting in 70 hours.

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  Billygoat, rice christians , in my mind , were primarily associated
  with mainland China. The Society noted how a huge number of "christians" disappeared after Mao took over. This, of course,
  was to show how soft Christendom was - and how futile feeding
  people , with charity, was.

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  70 Hour Pio's & 15 Min Pubs

  by metatron in

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  let's see here - according to the latest rumor.

  you can be a regular publisher by putting in 15 minutes.

  a month.. you can be a regular pioneer by putting in 70 hours.

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  Let's see here - according to the latest rumor
  you can be a regular publisher by putting in 15 minutes
  a month.

  You can be a regular pioneer by putting in 70 hours
  a month (not 90 or 100).

  You can join Bethel after being baptized for only
  6 months.

  Does the decline ever become obvious? Will the
  Witness zombies ever wake up? Anybody remember how the
  Watchtower used to attack "Rice Christians" in China?
  Now, they're generating Rice Christians of their own.

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  what's the point of all this power ?

  by termite 35 in

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  i've been reading all your comments since i found the un thread.

  (i'm not angry- just hit the wrong button!

  should have called my self crap with keyboard )have read all with great interest since then; meeting attendance and hours down to zero... but feeling pretty low.angry,shocked, dissapointed etc ,funny how it hits you .any way ;just a little question; i cant(this typing is getting embarassing) just ignore it.

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  Imagine that you are old, wrinkly, incontinent and half
  senile. What good is money or sex to you? (except for
  Greenlees!)
  Power is it. It's all that's left.

  When Carey Barber waves his cane on stage and
  get applause, don't you think that's what gets him off?

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