Posts by metatron

The US Military-Industrial Complex is frustrated by Obama's inaction. They want to bomb, bomb, bomb, and sell weapons - which are far too expensive and ,often, obsolete. Russia is number 1 in arm sales for the past year and they can't stand that. Besides, Americans are getting upset by the growing police state in which they live.

So, yes, - as with "Operation Northwood" or claiming that Iraq had WMD's or spending $5 billion to overthrow an elected government in Ukraine (as a US Ambassador said, "F**k the EU"), "THEY" will somehow try to attack the US.

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Why The Watchtower Must Abolish Judicial Committees

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some years ago, i upset some crypto-watchtower apologists by stating that the organization must eventually either abolish the co arrangement or radically change it because it creates a direct chain of liability by chain of command and makes them a hierarchy (without catholic level assets or influence to support such a structure).. i would make a similar argument with regard to judicial committees.

i do not contend that the watchtower would get rid of these repellent anachronisms simply because they are unethical in form and use but rather that they represent an increasing liability/obstacle to the organization's survival.. why?.

1) such committees tend to open up all sorts of legal challenges and dangers.

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Actually, Donut, you raise an excellent point. If nations move towards opposing Sharia courts, what happens to the Watchtower's Rabbinical Courts?

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Why The Watchtower Must Abolish Judicial Committees

by metatron in

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some years ago, i upset some crypto-watchtower apologists by stating that the organization must eventually either abolish the co arrangement or radically change it because it creates a direct chain of liability by chain of command and makes them a hierarchy (without catholic level assets or influence to support such a structure).. i would make a similar argument with regard to judicial committees.

i do not contend that the watchtower would get rid of these repellent anachronisms simply because they are unethical in form and use but rather that they represent an increasing liability/obstacle to the organization's survival.. why?.

1) such committees tend to open up all sorts of legal challenges and dangers.

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"They can hardly claim that the Congregation in this area, internal discipline, is autonomous".

Exactly. Oh, and if any elders are reading this right now, let me give you some advice:

If you ever get involved in anything that looks like it could be legally sticky, save all documents and DELIBERATELY ATTRIBUTE ALL DECISIONS DIRECTLY TO THE SOCIETY! Why? Because, if a lawsuit follows, the Watchtower may have to spend $ to defend you since they are involved.

I perceive a trend here towards "cheap and easy" as to Watchtower management. If that conflicts with its cultish practises, I wonder what will get cut?

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Why The Watchtower Must Abolish Judicial Committees

by metatron in

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some years ago, i upset some crypto-watchtower apologists by stating that the organization must eventually either abolish the co arrangement or radically change it because it creates a direct chain of liability by chain of command and makes them a hierarchy (without catholic level assets or influence to support such a structure).. i would make a similar argument with regard to judicial committees.

i do not contend that the watchtower would get rid of these repellent anachronisms simply because they are unethical in form and use but rather that they represent an increasing liability/obstacle to the organization's survival.. why?.

1) such committees tend to open up all sorts of legal challenges and dangers.

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I would add a point about record-keeping - a part of such committee actions. Europe is getting serious about such activities as shown by the recent trouble Google has had trying to comply with their demands online.

A related point concerns the danger of having such records whether in Kingdom Halls or in the hands of the Secretary. You have all sorts of documented scandals ready for anyone to use for extortion/blackmail. There was a serious incident many years ago in which someone stole Df'd records of sexual wrongdoing and went public with them (Denmark, I think). It ended up in the newspapers and I heard they took down the sign for the Branch Office for a while because they were ashamed.

Jesus spoke about the impracticality of pouring new wine into old wineskins and this continuing situation with Judicial Committees fits the parable.

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Why The Watchtower Must Abolish Judicial Committees

by metatron in

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friends

some years ago, i upset some crypto-watchtower apologists by stating that the organization must eventually either abolish the co arrangement or radically change it because it creates a direct chain of liability by chain of command and makes them a hierarchy (without catholic level assets or influence to support such a structure).. i would make a similar argument with regard to judicial committees.

i do not contend that the watchtower would get rid of these repellent anachronisms simply because they are unethical in form and use but rather that they represent an increasing liability/obstacle to the organization's survival.. why?.

1) such committees tend to open up all sorts of legal challenges and dangers.

metatron

Some years ago, I upset some crypto-Watchtower apologists by stating that the Organization must eventually either abolish the CO arrangement or radically change it because it creates a direct chain of liability by chain of command and makes them a hierarchy (without Catholic level assets or influence to support such a structure).

I would make a similar argument with regard to Judicial Committees. I do not contend that the Watchtower would get rid of these repellent anachronisms simply because they are unethical in form and use but rather that they represent an increasing liability/obstacle to the Organization's survival.

Why?

1) Such committees tend to open up all sorts of legal challenges and dangers. There have been plenty of cases in the last year alone that exposed various elders as having confessed knowledge of crimes - and then relaying that information to HQ, making an even bigger mess. Has someone confessed to fraud? Murder? Child Molestation? AFAIK, courts do not accept elders as having "clerical privilege" since such properly involves only two people, not committees.

At this point, some will say, "they fix the problem by reporting these crimes to the police". Maybe so - but one must take into account the tendency of elders to be genially corrupt and 'write off" acts of sexual assault as just "horseing around" ( Yes, they will, I know about this personally!) which brings me to point two -

2) When do such committees become legally unmanageable? And why has the Society ordered elders, in the past, specifically NOT to refer or attribute local decisions to Bethel/The Legal Staff/The Society? How long can they go on using uneducated window washers as unpaid remote employees and expect them to manage difficult questions by telephone calls to HQ? When does this arrangement become absurd? Are elders still expected to be stalkers in suspected adultery cases? Will they risk "hate speech" infractions by expelling gays? ( who have monitored convention talks in the past for this purpose).

3) Yes, the Society is strongly protected by the 1st Amendment in the US but that doesn't apply to all nations and legal systems.

http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/excom5.html

With US hegemony shrinking, I see little reason for optimism about religious "rights" and privileges across the globe - and that may spell court interference in excommunication cases and more in the future.

4) An additional factor here concerns the real world of extra-judical influences and reactions especially in cases involving children. This is particularly the case as the "seared consciences" of the Governing Body approve of baptisms of children (God! As young as 6 ?). Their sheer greediness for control could cause all sorts of issues external to the actual "Kangaroo Courts" that they have created -such as in Custody Hearings or in the private decisions of government officials who could be ex-Witnesses themselves or have relatives/ friends as such.

As with people who obviously avoid footpaths that go past JW.Org displays, what happens when there are plenty of ex-JW's all over general society?

If they insist on keeping this 19th century antique alive, I can imagine that they might simply rely on public acts and go no further - such as a criminal conviction or adulterous marriage that gets a Witness automatically expelled.

In summary, I think this arrangement is likely to become ever more burdensome and an "albatross around their necks" with every passing year. In light of current changes, is that really what they want?

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Why Europe Will Let Ukraine Go

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http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20140831.aspx.

if the us wants war, they can pay for it and fight it.

world peace thru budgeting constraints would still be world peace.. .

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http://www.blacklistednews.com/Ukraine_to_Need_Another_%2419_Billion_from_the_IMF/37669/0/38/38/Y/M.html

They may need another $19 billion to keep their economy from collapsing. I'm sure Europe will be eager to pay.

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JW.org is a DIFFERENT religion from the WT and Kingdomhall

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has anybody else noticed the huge 180 degree under the public jw.org vs the material in the study articles?

other than jw.org showing that shunning of family and those who left the religion does not happen, yet in the kingdomhall and wt is does happen.

look at jwborgs stance on quitting school and getting higher education.... http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/quit-school/ can anybody show one wt that says what is in the borg website?

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Nothing really new here - the Writing Staff has promulgated a fake 'moderate' image of JW's while the Service Dept. enforced Nazi-like rules.

That said - and given the ease with which such contrary info can be found - it's getting interesting.... I believe the more firmly bonded they get to the internet, the more likely it is that they are evolving towards becoming a nice, half-burned our Protestant sect like Methodists.

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AnointedJW Response On Df'ing

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https://anointedjw.org/qr_august_2014.html#qr_082914c.

so, they are claiming that these new partakers associated with their site are not being df'd.. i understand that two witness guys run this site.

can anyone confirm that they are not df'd?.

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Yes, it is fishy sounding. That's why I'm only going with the evidence of the 2 that run the thing..

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Why Europe Will Let Ukraine Go

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http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20140831.aspx.

if the us wants war, they can pay for it and fight it.

world peace thru budgeting constraints would still be world peace.. .

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Amen! The US doesn't care about the Ukraine or Europe - as long as they are obedient vassals. Consider the US Ambassador's "F**k the EU" remark as proof.

This is about empire - specifically, US hegemony being challenged by Russia's program for the world to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and petro-dollar. The BRICS want to set up an alternative financial system. Cameron is being foolish to try to throw Russia out of the SWIFT system as it will only encourage the development of an alternative that may be opaque to the NSA.

If the world rejected US bullying, things would be much better. And that's where we seem to be headed....

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