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  bethelite kills self because of guilt 10/31/73

  by new boy in

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  i was working on my car in the factory {bld.

  1} on friday oct. 31 1973, when all hell broke loose, the fire alarm in bld.

  4 went off at about 9:30. the night watchman could find nothing.

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  Few of you will ever understand what Bethel was like in the 1970's.
  You just had to be there to fully appreciate the negative,
  harsh sweatshop atmosphere of the place.

  The lying bastards who ran the place knew they had slaves
  they could abuse and mistreat. It wasn't just the shame of
  not making your four years that drove brothers to stay at
  Bethel - some even after losing all faith in God or the Watchtower!

  During the 70's, the draft was on and getting a deferment
  was very difficult for many brothers, especially in conservative
  areas. If you left, "before your four years" were up, they refused
  to let you regular pioneer - which meant that the Society put
  you in jeopardy for a prison sentence - for draft evasion
  (unless you wanted to risk dying in Vietnam).

  Years at Bethel took an emotional toll on me. After I left,
  I still had dreams about waking up there - with prison bars
  on the windows. I guess I continued "in the truth" by putting
  it all out of my mind. I can't tell you how awful it was it for
  me and countless other brothers who hated waking up every
  morning in that place - the depression, the nervous breakdowns,
  and the brothers who cranked out millions of books - for an
  organization they despised. Ask veterans of that era about
  how Bethelites would commonly reply to "how long you 'been here?"
  with answers that sounded like a prison sentence - "two years,
  three months, fourteen days ...." - it really used to irritate
  Knorr!

  When I post on this board, perhaps in obsession, I can feel
  the horror of those years compelling me - even thou they are
  long past.

  The final lesson? Never, never, never, never, never, never,
  never, never, never, never place your life and wellbeing
  in the control of the Watchtower Society.

  never

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  Bryant Family Memorial Service

  by dungbeetle in

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  some contact infor for anyone who wants it:.

  here is the address of the chruch:.

  325 nw.

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  same self-righteous garbage happened at a funeral of a long
  inactive Witness I knew. A Catholic nun was nice enough
  to hold a service while idiot Witlesses made critical remarks
  - and had to be apologized to by 'worldly relatives' for the
  service.

  hats off to the Baptists for behaving like real Christians.

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  BOE Letter

  by Simon in

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  emailed to me by doinmypart:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/tmp/boe20020318.pdf.

  posted on a separate thread so the topic is more related.

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  "congregation sanctions"

  Anybody remember the long drawn out arguments with Witless idiots
  about how they didn't really lie to Bulgarian officials when
  they said "without control or sanction" in regard to blood?

  I can only hope they aren't lying again in regard to child molesters.

  Or are we going to hear Watchtower apologists speak of people
  "disassociate themselves" by reporting child molesters?

  With these low life weasels, only time will tell.

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  Witness Self Hatred

  by metatron in

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  i do wonder if the average witless has been beat down with so much.

  propaganda that they hate themselves.

  willing to blame themselves for anything - and react fanatically.

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  I do wonder if the average Witless has been beat down with so much
  propaganda that they hate themselves. Consider how they are so
  willing to blame themselves for anything - and react fanatically
  to defend the organization, inspite of obvious wrongs.

  I was thinking about this in regard to the Bryant case - and
  disfellowshippings generally - why is there so little anger at
  the elders involved?

  Why does a man like Bryant choose to kill his family
  - but not choose anger against his tormentors,
  who wrecked his life and business? Is this just a 'now they'll
  get to Paradise' thing?

  I don't think I've ever heard of elders being afraid for
  their physical safety in df'ing someone - why? are their victims so
  successfully brainwashed with guilt that this never occurs?

  I'm not advocating anything here - just wondering if
  this same meek obsequiousness is a victim's mentality
  that has afflicted women and minorities in history-
  If so, perhaps the attitude that "I guess I deserved
  this" may change ..... with enlightenment in regard to
  the corruption of those in power and their secret tribunals.

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  Comments from the CO today

  by Richie in

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  i went to the meeting today to hear the public talk given by the visiting co. the talk dealt with jehovah's secret dwelling place and how we can all be taking advantage of "fleeing to safety" as it were, especially as the days are getting wicked as he mentioned.

  he brought out the dangers of listening to apostates (there were 2 people in the congregation who disassociated themselves recently, which automatically meant that they were apostates according to the co's comments).

  then he further elaborated on the fact that there were about 14,000 witnesses disfellowshipped in the usa each year and in canada 1400, about the size of a circuit assembly - also he said how terribly dishonorable it would be to be df'd and be as a dead person as it were (i felt so embarrassed as i am df'd) - during the talk he brought out two points which were extremely misleading if not outright lies: he said that just after the disaster of sept 11th, thousands of people "wanted to flee to security to the watchtower building and that they felt that they needed this security".

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  I'm impressed, you know

  You're almost making sense!

  Bring on the Watchtower's punishment!

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  Successfully Defeating the Watchtower

  by metatron in

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  the watchtower is not invincible.

  they can - and are - suffering various defeats thruout the world.

  even in lands where they once.

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  As long as they are broke, humiliated, and an ignored
  anachronism, it doesn't bother me if they 'are still around'
  500 years from now.

  So much the better, they can serve as an example of failure
  to adapt and act with compassion - a warning to others.

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  Successfully Defeating the Watchtower

  by metatron in

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  the watchtower is not invincible.

  they can - and are - suffering various defeats thruout the world.

  even in lands where they once.

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  The Watchtower is not invincible. They can - and are - suffering various defeats thruout the world. Even in lands where they once
  outlasted fascism, publishers are being lost (France, Japan, Germany,
  Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, etc.) What is the essential key
  to defeating this monolithic cult?

  Patience - and persistent work

  At present, the Witness subculture is a collection of
  deeply held habits - and not, primarily, a rational scheme of doctrines. The Society has largely abandoned the field on doctrinal
  issues - with simple 'cut and paste' articles and superficial
  appeals to obey the "faithful and discreet slave". Even life and
  death issues like blood avoid any depth, revealing the hidden
  bankruptcy of their claims.

  Cults are built on programming, anyway, - and it takes patient
  effort to break down years of unthinking habits. Witness kids
  are a big help here, as they abandon congregations and put pressure
  on Witness parents to stop cult-like behaviors ("have as little
  to do as possible with df'd relatives"). Squeezing in holidays
  helps. too - "we're not celebrating Christmas, just because we
  give a relative a gift!".

  Yes, it takes patience - kind, consistent effort to encourage
  your relatives and friends towards compassion - and away from
  unthinking obedience to an unworthy leadership.

  God speed to silentlambs and all the rest of you,

  Keep chipping away, day after day and year after year!

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  A Good Day in Field Service is Totally Cool!

  by D wiltshire in

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  remember when you were a dub and hated to go out in service.

  well i'm a df'd dub and i got my own message that i've printed up and i've been going to all the kingdumb hall i know and working the territory that surrounds the kingdumb hall with this tract, and the response is totally great, here is the tract i use:.

  jehovahs witnesses keep coming to your door because they dont want you to be destroyed at armagedon.. all members believe they belong to the only true religion and every religion except theirs is from the devil, and that god will destroy you for not being a jehovahs witness at armagedon.. you must serve the watchtower and let the watchtower control your life or die eternally that is what the jehovahs witness believe.. .

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  don't forget the recent quote about marriage mates.
  - and their inferred fate at Armageddon!

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  Question About French Taxes

  by metatron in

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  i was wondering what will happen if the society.

  doesn't pay the french government 39 million bucks.. can the french gov.

  go after assets in other countries?.

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  I was wondering what will happen if the Society
  doesn't pay the French government 39 million bucks.
  Can the French gov. go after assets in other countries?
  I guess they can't grab Kingdom Halls (or can they?)
  Also, can they jail former branch leaders?
  Can they attempt to reclaim the presses and other stuff
  that got moved to England?

  This is interesting

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  Those Whom the Gods Would Destroy

  by metatron in

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  an old greek proverb.

  "those whom the gods would destroy.

  they first make mad".

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  really, fred - this is advice - FROM YOU?

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