in a private conversation with a c.o.
friend from north carolina, he told me yesterday that they just got a letter that all traveling overseers (do's & co's) age 70 & up are going to be laid off on 09/01/2014.
they will be asssigned to local congregations and further details are pending.. .
In a private conversation with a C.O. friend from North Carolina, he told me yesterday that they just got a letter that all traveling overseers (DO's & CO's) age 70 & up are going to be laid off on 09/01/2014. They will be asssigned to local Congregations and further details are pending.
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i only know a few like franz.
i rank him #1. then theres that jwsurvey guy and jwfacts guy.
and the silent lambs lady.
Former JW's that were very prominent and you can find their testimonies online or wrote books are:
1. RAYMOND FRANZ - Former member of the Governing body & wrote 2 books demystifying the inner workings of the GB.
2. OLIN MOYLE - Former attorney under Rutherford. He wrote a letter to the Judge regarding abuse of power, vulgar language,
heavy drinking & violent temper of the Judge. His letter can be found by google search.
3. WALTER SALTER- Former Canadian Branch overseer. He also wrote the Judge a letter criticizing his abuse of members and enjoying a
high end lifestyle at the cost of the pioneers whos slaved for "the organization". His letter can also be found by google.
4. EDWARD DUNLAP - Former D.O., former Gilead registrar, former writing dept member. He was a victim of the 1980 witchhunt and DF'd.
You can find an audio interview of his on youtube.
5. MAXIMUS - This former D.O. posted on JWN under the name of "Maximus". He worked closely with N.H. Knorr in bethel and his posts are
very insightful. He should write a book or maybe he already did (Edmund C. Gruss?)
6. Bill Cetnar - He worked in the Service department during the 50's. He also worked with Knorr. Disfellowshipped for not agreeing with the
WT blood policy. He was a very dynamic speaker and exposed the WT as false prophets. Find him on youtube.
7. John Bechtel - Former member of the Service Department. Google search
8. Don Nelson - Former Gilead Missionary & C.O. . His story can be found via google.
9. Barbara Anderson - She worked in the Writing Dept with members of the GB. Has a great website: www.watchtowerdocuments.com
10. Jon Mitchell - Former secretary of the GB. He wrote a brochure about the true identity of the great crowd.
11. Rene Vazquez - Former D.O., Gilead grad, another victim of the 1980 witchhunt. Just recently gave his story after many years of silence.
He lives in Puerto Rico with his wife and have a successful real estate business. Find his story by googling him.
12. Tom Cabeen - Former Bethel elder, now Catholic. His story also online.
13. Randy Watters - Former Bethel elder and his website was probably the first one ever exposing the WT. www.freeminds.org
14. Jeff Byrges - His JWN name is "alltimejeff" Former Gilead Missionary. Very powerful testimony and great posts.
15. Awakened at gilead - Former Bethelite, special pioneer & Missionary. He posted a series of videos on youtube. He also posts here.
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so awhile back, during our last circuit overseer visit, vic and i decided to bite the bullet.... there seemed to be very little support for the mid-week lunch plans for the co and his wife, so we signed up to host.
we definitely didnt want it to be awkward, so we invited a few others along, as a nice little group affair.
they were excited, and offered to do the cooking, so i said i would play along.. just some background.... this particular co is kind of a tool (big surprise right?
The Congregation brown noser publishers are at fault for those self righteous, haughty C.O.'s.
They develope a sense of entitlement when the publishers kiss their feet, give them green handshakes and treat them as rock stars. If they were humble and truly slaved for others, they would eat whatever is put in front of them and accept the hospitality given. At least they should keep ther mouths shut about others posessions as the publishers pay the C.O. expenses as car, health insurance etc.
The WT has imposed the C.O.s on the Congregations. They get free healthcare, free car, free gas (the branch gives them a gas card), tax free cash ( a c.o. confessed receiving $500-$800 u.s. dollars a week!)gifts such as electronics, free cable, free food and powerful authority over congregations.When you add it all up they're living at least $45-50k dollar a year lifestyle. No wonder they are company men and will go along with whatever B.S. the GB tells them to do and teach as their lifestyle and authority is at risk.
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The figures above are for the C.O's in the USA. It is not the same in developing nations as Jehovahs provides well only for C.O.'s in the U.S. and doesnt care much about those in 3rd world countries.
the whitewashed history of the watchtower society in nazi germany.. the man who became leader of the german branch of the watchtower society after the war is without exception portrayed as a beacon of virtue and faith, standing fearless against the nazis:.
*** w89 5/1 12 jehovah has sustained me as a friend ***.
many of the loyal ones, among them erich frost and konrad franke, who suffered much for the lords sake and later became branch overseers in germany, returned alive from the fiery furnace of persecution.. .
No wonder JW's are told not to do any independent research about the history or doctrines of the WT. They are told only to read what the WT publishes as everything else comes "from Satan and is full of lies". But truth does not contradict the facts or evidence.
The more you research, the more you find out that the WT is just another man made religion with delusions of grandeur. They blatantly lie about their history and guilt people that do not believe in them. I actually mentioned Erich Frost when I would give public talks about loyalty. What a shame.
The Watchtower is more than willing to railroad anyone if it benefits their interest. Erich Frost betrayed to the Gestapo 7-8 District Overseers and replaced them after the ban. Yet he is glorified as a hero.
It reminds me a former C.O. and bethel secretary David Fuentes (www.extj.org). He said the Cuban government granted the WT more liberty and leeway but only if they removed all the current branch comiittee members that served during the harsh ban under Castro. The GB were more than willing to comply and the comittee members were replaced.
What a shameless cult. If any JW dares to question these issues or writes to the GB to get their response, they would be labelled apostate and a troublemaker. So much for freedom of religion & speech granted to the members of this cult.
I need a drink.
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.....whether it be in the congregation or from "headquarters"?
In the late 90's in a Spanish congregation in Southern California a Presiding Overseer had a nice family, wife & 2 girls.
They adopt another girl in her teens age 15. Lo and behold she suddenly gets pregnant and the P.O. tells the elders that she was raped by her doctor. Since she was a minor, the P.O. did not allow the elders to meet with her to question her about her "rape". The elders being puppets went along with the story and the matter was dropped. No judicial action was taken because she was "raped". Well the baby was born and it turns out she looks alot like his 2 other biological daughters...that was a great coincidence! The Congregation and the whole circuit start to talk.
Two new elders moved in to the congregation and tried to start an investigation into the matter but the teenage girl and the P.O. stuck to their stories that she was raped. One elder adamantly wanted a DNA test to be done to confirm that the baby was not the P.O.'s. The P.O. said it wasn't necessary and the rest of the body of elders backed him up. Since there were no 2 witnesses to their fornication and no confession, the matter was dropped again. The C.O. told the 2 elders to "wait on Jehovah" and that Jesus has the stars (or elders) in his right hand and was guiding them.
The 2 elders then started to be harrassed by the P.O. and his elder buddies for "running ahead and making false accusations". These elders moved and lost their privileges because the letters of presentation by the P.O. and his buddies did not recommend them. This shows how the WT really doesn't give a crap about doing the right thing if their authority is being attacked.
About a year later, the teenage girl finally confessed to the C.O. and both her and the P.O. were DF. The P.O. beat her up for confessing by the way.
The P.O.'s wife divorced him and the teenage girl and the elder ended up getting married! The affair was going on for several years. The elders did NOT call police to report this statutory rape as that would bring reproach on Jehovah's name.
Doing the right thing according to the Watchtower is going along with those in authority instead of following the Bible and your conscience.
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in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
What organization did JOB belong to? How about:
Adam?
Abel?
Enoch?
Noah?
Daniel? (by the way he would be df for working at a political position)
Joseph? (Same df offense for being Prime Minister of Egypt)
Jonathan (He actually won God's favor for NOT obeying the King in his pursuit against David...today he would be DF by the WT)
John the Baptist (He spoke out against the leaders of his day...he would be df by the WT today for causing divisions)
Jeremiah? (same df offense as John the Baptist by the WT)
You can shut the mouths of the JW's by telling them that J.F. Rutherford did NOT OBEY theocratic arrangement by not following the MAJORITY of the board of directors (AKA GB) as it was 4 against the Drunk Judge and 3 in his favor. He also ignored C.T. Russels will and removed the editing commitee and he HUMBLY appointed himself as the sole manager with full authority. This is one more example of the politics and hypocrisy of the WT. They will speak of obeying theocratic arrangements when it's convenient in their behalf.
However, the Bible can be interpreted in anyway you want to. You can even justify murder, slavery, adultery (solomon & patriarchs) and genocide using the Bible.
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and died at home in panama city beach, florida.
steve imhof, a bethelite in the 1970s and former very active elder who became a very vocal wt critic starting in 2002, was 65 years old when he died.
he was father to three children and two grandchildren.
Very young, so sad.
Our love and condolences to the family. At least he passed away free and enjoying life.
His post were very informative and insightful.
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i'm fed up of my still-in wife using this excuse that they can utter wrong beliefs and doctrines.. .
the fact that there are imperfect humans involved in the organisation is very much irrelevant.. .
we all accept, including jdubs, that these men are just men who may think and say wrong things like the rest of us as they go about their own lives.
They're just 8 imperfect men that happen to claim to be Gods only channel of communication chosen in 1919.
If anyone dares to question them you will lose your marriage, family and friends. You must accept their arbitrary policies and doctrines that have caused misery and death to countless thousands if not millions.
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a friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.
as regards pursuing higher education?
the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.
There are tons and tons of examples of pioneers, bethelites, missionaries, CO's that obeyed the GB by not getting an education and now in their old age, have no children, no money, no home and are a burden on the local congregation. I know a former D.O. who spent all his life in full time service and now struggles to get by on his special pioneer stipend. He has to work as a pirate cab driver. He has to depend on the generosity of the Congo and friends. He has no children to watch over him as he obeyed that "suggestion" of not having children in this time of the end.
You would think that they would have realized by now that not having an education is disastrous. It's called common sense not materialism to have an education.
If they're afraid of losing members by being exposed to knowledge at University, then maybe that should be a sign that they don't have the truth. The truth will pass the test of scrutiny & time.
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Ex-elder here almost 10yrs.
I was naive to think that by using the Bible everyone would automatically obey as we were "appointed by Holy Spirit".
I have seen elders outright lie to get their way or revenge against another member and others that are just cowards and not stand up for doing the right thing.
Very disappointed. Now I'm even doubting God's existence and the Bible.
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