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  Bloodplates... Can it Really be Justified?

  by mrbunyrabit in

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  2. medical

  i was thinking about something.. getting a blood transfution.. thats wrong right?

  oky and theres allot of scriptures supporting that.. so is giving blood at a bloodbank allowed for witnesses?

  no, its not allowed.... oky so heres my question.... witnesses are allowed to use blood plates... where does those blood plates come from?.

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  AK MCGRATH said,

  ...WTBTS powers that be, were looking for loopholes around their own blood issues.

  I think you are right about that. One day in the distant future the whole blood issue will likely be gone, like the former bans on vaccination and transplants. It seems the organization is in a state of transition now over blood.

  In the future Witnesses will probably be in denial that the blood teachings of the past were actually part of the Watfchtower belief system. Will they write it off to saying something like "Some had misunderstandings in those days, because the Society always said it was a conscience issue?" We shall see.
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  What is latest WT quote on donating blood ?

  by Phizzy in

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  2. bible

  i no longer have access to wt lit or cd, as i burned all my bound volumes one day in disgust, and don't have a cd.. so could someone kindly post the latest on donating of blood, not simply that it is forbidden, but the latest where they say why they hold this position.. if i remember rightly, it was based entirely on the o.t injunction about "pouring out" the blood of a slain animal, but i need to be sure before i question jw's on this.. many thanks in advance, if you are able to help..

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  finally awake said,

  These were the most recent mentions I could find, although none actually spell out *why* it's supposedly wrong.

  Perhaps your second reference did touch on the reason why; Questions From Readers, w00 10/15 pp. 30-31, said...

  "...such collecting, storing, and transfusing of blood directly contradicts what is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Blood is not to be stored; it is to be poured out—returned to God, as it were."

  I think this is what Phizzy suspected would be the reason.

  But, to go from draining blood from a killed animal in the field prior to eating it, to making it a medical injunction that says blood should never be stored for any reason, as the Watchtower does, is a huge leap. It is just plain wrong.
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  Bloodplates... Can it Really be Justified?

  by mrbunyrabit in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i was thinking about something.. getting a blood transfution.. thats wrong right?

  oky and theres allot of scriptures supporting that.. so is giving blood at a bloodbank allowed for witnesses?

  no, its not allowed.... oky so heres my question.... witnesses are allowed to use blood plates... where does those blood plates come from?.

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  And they are such nice people...

  That is true, most JWs are nice people, but the Watchtower Society itself is not nice, and it is the Society that you will be subject to from now on if you join them. Keep asking questions when you notice an issue, and demand good, solid answers from them. They like to put you off without providing good answers to the difficult topics. Don't fall for it.
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  Bloodplates... Can it Really be Justified?

  by mrbunyrabit in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i was thinking about something.. getting a blood transfution.. thats wrong right?

  oky and theres allot of scriptures supporting that.. so is giving blood at a bloodbank allowed for witnesses?

  no, its not allowed.... oky so heres my question.... witnesses are allowed to use blood plates... where does those blood plates come from?.

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  Mrbunyrabit said,

  "That means that witnesses are in fact profiting from other peoples sins.. Because those other people are going to lose ever lasting life because they donate blood.. but witnesses can use that blood?"

  You make a good point here. JWs are allowed to accept blood fractions (it's a conscience matter), and all blood fractions are derived from someone else's whole blood donations. Witnesses can't give blood, but they can accept fractions from other people's blood.

  "How does that work?"

  It works for no other reason than the Watchtower Society says it works. It is not Bible based. It's one of many contradictions in the Watchtower belief system.

  Welcome to the forum. You have noticed an issue that seems to go right over the head of most JWs.
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  Your advice please on "Scriptual Divorce"

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my ex and i have a legal divorce.. she asked me to write a letter to the b.o.e so she can get a scriptual divorce.. she said she had spoken to the c.o.b.e ans they would take no action against me as i haven't been to a meeting in about 12 years.. my reply "ok get him to put that in writing".

  so do you think they will put that in writing?.

  and would they take action if i did write the letter giveing her a scriptual divorce?.

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  @Djeggnogg who said,

  "While the elders are not judges, they are adults..."

  Whaaat? If elders are part of a judicial committee, they certainly are judges!
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  Your advice please on "Scriptual Divorce"

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my ex and i have a legal divorce.. she asked me to write a letter to the b.o.e so she can get a scriptual divorce.. she said she had spoken to the c.o.b.e ans they would take no action against me as i haven't been to a meeting in about 12 years.. my reply "ok get him to put that in writing".

  so do you think they will put that in writing?.

  and would they take action if i did write the letter giveing her a scriptual divorce?.

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  Djeggnog said,

  "Since what your wife wants is to be scripturally free to remarry, she need only inform the elders of your infidelity today...she would then be free to remarry today."

  I don't quite follow this. Where would the second witness be? For that matter where is the first witness?

  I'm unclear whether Karter has explicitly admitted infidelity to his ex. If he has, is that enough to negate the 2 witness rule? Would it now come down to her word that he admitted infidelity, and the elders would accept that as enough evidence?

  If so, why would the elders require a letter in the first place? (Unless the letter was stictly her idea, with no mention of it from the elders. The post doesn't make it clear whether the elders asked for it).

  In any case, Karter should not submit a letter admitting anything. His request that he be given a letter from the elders guaranteeing they will not disfellowship is reasonable. Of course they will not comply, but neither should Karter comply with a letter to them. Without getting a letter, I would not give a letter. It it's a stalemate, then so be it.
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  I can't believe it, but a kid got marked for having worldy friends.

  by Knowsnothing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's true.

  last night, a kid got marked for having worldy friends.

  the usual no friendship with the world texts made its way in.

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  Prov 22:6 is a scripture that Jehovah's Witnesses have never come close to fulfilling.

  " Train up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he will not turn aside from it."

  It's as Billy said,

  And that is exactly how they manage to lose 2/3 of their born-ins.
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  Download While You Can!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  credit goes to anony mous=http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/215963/1/ready-to-leak-wikileaks-style=anony mous wrote:=hi,=i have a cache of documents that are direct from the branch.

  they include letters, forms, videos, booklets, instructions on how to handle everything in kingdom hall locally and rbc's financially and otherwise.=includes the branch's instructions on how to write the local incorporations so that all assets go to watchtower inc. and in case that corporation doesn't exist anymore or is no longer tax free, to the governing body (that's what it says!).

  i have them for all states but only going to include ny (since that's where they are located).

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  Hi Janice, and welcome to the forum. I noticed your post did not take. If you are using some versions of Internet Explorer there can be problems, but it seems that Firefox works pretty well here.

  Others can give better advice I'm sure.
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  Has Violence Declined?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c__xwmsz4au.

  http://www.wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?code=rkt.

  friday.

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  ScenicViewer

  He says,

  "People confuse a data point with a trend," in reference to the 20th Century violence of WWI and WWII.

  He goes on to explain that those two spikes in violence were temporary and did not lead to a trend in violence. He makes sense.

  Watchtower will always look at isolated episodes of violence to try to makes it's case that it is on the increase.

  Also significnat is the fact that when there is an episode of violence it is replayed over and over in the media, giving the impression that there is more violence than there really is.
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  Sorry to all members

  by usualusername in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesterday i posted the crazy thread and wish to apologise.. .

  i was found by a friend and taken to hospital.. .

  a mental health team will also give me further support.. .

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  ScenicViewer

  I will no longer comment lest I cause offence.

  I am happy to say that your posts seem very sincere, as does your apology. I believe it is accepted by all, but certainly by me.

  And there is no need to withdraw from here; your posts are as welcome as anybody's.