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  Believers, your understanding on how old is the earth.

  by jam in

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  lets forget about the creations of man, animals and.

  light and darkness.

  focus on the period when the earth.

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  @James_woods, who asked

  What I never understood was the strange JW teaching that the seven creative days were 7,000 years long each.

  I believe the 7000 year day came as a result of reverse engineering. The Society figured mankind was 6000 years old as of 1975. If you add 1000 years for the Millineal reign of Christ you have a total of 7000 years, at which time mankind would be restored to perfection. They thought that sounded neat and complete, since 7000 is a Scripturally 'perfect' number.

  But that failed. The last reference* to the 7000 year long Day was in 1987.

  (W 1-1-87, p30)
  Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week.

  Since then the Society has been mum on the 7000 year Day.

  (*Note to readers, if there is a reference to the 7000 year Day later than the 1-1-87 Watchtower I would like the quote to update my notes. Thanks!)
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  Believers, your understanding on how old is the earth.

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lets forget about the creations of man, animals and.

  light and darkness.

  focus on the period when the earth.

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  "...6000-8000 yrs. Or is this JWs view only for the age of the earth?"

  It is a misunderstanding that JWs view the earth as 7000 years old, or thereabouts. Here are a few quotes from the literature showing the earth can be billions of years old according to Watchtower beliefs.

  (Young People ASK 2 chap. 36 p. 301 How Can I Defend My Belief in God?)
  The Bible says that the earth and the rest of the universe were in existence before the first creative day. Thus, the earth and the solar system may well be billions of years old.—Genesis 1:1.

  (Awake 3-22-83 p13, Article: Evolution, Creation, or Creationism—Which Do You Believe?)
  If geologists want to say that the earth is 4 billion years old, or astronomers want to make the universe 20 billion years old, the Bible student has no quarrel with them.

  (Awake 11-22-81 p13)
  Nevertheless, with proper attention to such possible pitfalls, acceptably reliable dates have been put on many old rock formations. Based on this method, the age of the oldest parts of the earth’s crust has been set at over four billion years.

  7000 years used to be viewed by JWs as the length of each creative period (day), but that has been abandoned. Now the Society says this...

  (Was Life Created, Brochure (2010) p24)
  "How long, then, were the creative days? The Bible does not say; however, the wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved."

  So, the Creative Days are no longer viewed as being 7000 years long, but as an unspecified “considerable length of time.”

  Furthur, JWs view Day 1 of creation a little differently from other groups. Day 1 started, not with the actual creation of the earth and other heavenly bodies, but with the creataion of light. In other words JWs believe the earth was already here when the 7 Creative Days began, and those Creative Periods involved preparing the earth for plant, animal, and human life.

  Here is a chart from the Insight Book, p27, showing the Society's view of the Creative Days.

  
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  Does anyone want any old JW literature?Like reeeeally old...

  by aquagirl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  selling my mums house.my dad was an elder for like 30 years.he had copies of every jw publication ever.multiple copies of some of this stuff.im ready to burn it in a bonfire,but it occurred to me that it might be valuable in like,research,orlaw suits or such?if anyone wants anything in particular,let me know,if i have it,its yours!just pay the shipping fee{el cheapo book rate}..i noticed every yearbook, and also the bound volumns of the wathctower and awake,all the way back to the middle of last century.let me know,if not,there will be a large bonfire in early september...hehhehheh.

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  Aquagirl, I sent you a PM.
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  JW Origins in New Brochures

  by donuthole in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the things i noticed in the two new brochures for the public is how the couch the modern day origins of jehovah's witnesses.

  "in the 1870's a small group of bible students began rediscovering long-lost bible truths.

  " - good news from god.

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  donuthole said

  "There is no mention of Charles Russell."

  The less that is mentioned, the less it can be put to the test. An internet user can easily google C.T. Russell and find a lot of negative information. Could this be the reason his name is left out?
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  JW Origins in New Brochures

  by donuthole in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the things i noticed in the two new brochures for the public is how the couch the modern day origins of jehovah's witnesses.

  "in the 1870's a small group of bible students began rediscovering long-lost bible truths.

  " - good news from god.

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  @ reslight2 who said,

  In 1904, ten years before 1914, Russell adopted this latter view, which, in effect, was a reversal of his earlier view that the time of trouble was to end in 1914.

  Did Russell publish his new view in the Watchtower, explaining that 1914 was the beginning of the time of trouble? Do you have the reference?

  (I could follow that link, but I'm lazy right now. If you have the ref, it would be much easier! At any rate, the link is bookmarked for later reading.)

  Thanks!
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  You can take your three day quickbuild and shove it...

  by Aaron Eldridge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a christian organisation that builds churches in one day, oddly enough they are called church in a day.

  so much for the quickbuild being used as proof of god's divine order working through the organisation.. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/29/faithful-volunteers-build-church-in-one-day-in-iowa/.

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  The world record for building a house is less than 3 hours!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2HqW-AAb20

  In this video, firefighters in Tuscon, Az build a house in 24 hours. Twenty-four hour house building projects are relatively common. No holy spirit required.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fekL2uwYQK4
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  Clueless Attempt at Information Control In New Brochure

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on page 28 of the "who are doing the watchtower's will today" brochure they outline their website, and how great and grand it is.

  then down in the lower right corner they print this:.

  a note of caution:.

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  Some Internet sites have been set up by opposers to spread false information about our organization.

  This is the kind of thing that can backfire quickly. The first time a reader hits a site with documented information about Watchtower (not information that is made up, unsupported, or false) and that information is negative to Watchtower's reputation, the reader has his eyes opened a little for the first time.

  From there it is a relatively quick trip to asking self, 'Who is really publishing false information?' It doesn't take long to realize that the Society has plenty to hide, and that it's efforts to keep people from getting answers are nothing but self-serving.
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  Unfortunately...they are giving a MUCH better witness worldwide than we thought...as my old bible study is telling me

  by oompa in

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  because i remember how freaked out some would get if something bad happend and "oh my, that is such a bad witness!

  i hope that does not make the papers"...oh i heard that one a lot...same if a "bad witness" was seen on tv or your name is in the paper for a dwi, urinating in public, indecent exposure, (not my bio) but we/they always hated the masses seeing anything negative right?!?!?!?.

  and funny how important that all the world know the truth right???

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  That was a good post Oompa. It's very encouraging to know that Witness related posts on the internet (YouTube) are being dominated by people telling he truth about the Organization. I did not realize that.

  Hopefully he Society's recent push to use it's own web site more and more will will turn out to be far too little, and way too late. People revaling the other side of Watchtower have such a huge head start that the Society will never catch up.

  It sounds like YouTube was a real eye-opener for your ex-Bible study and her daughters. I hope they, and eventually a few million others, can make their way out with as little damage as possible to their lives.

  Thanks for this post; I'll be looking at YouTube more.
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  Are JW's really not allowed to view apostate material?

  by Joey Jo-Jo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on youtube there is this man who recorded is judicial commitee, the point i am making is that the elders viewed his material on youtube as stated on the recording.. my question his are elders allowed to view apostate material but not non-elders?

  when did this happen?

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  Breakfast of champions:

  SV - is that dress for real? The lady looks like she walked off the set of Little House on the Prairie!

  Well, that's the way the Watchtower portrayed the lady of the house in 1986. It does look a little like Little House, or The Waltons, or something from a period gone by.
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  Are JW's really not allowed to view apostate material?

  by Joey Jo-Jo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on youtube there is this man who recorded is judicial commitee, the point i am making is that the elders viewed his material on youtube as stated on the recording.. my question his are elders allowed to view apostate material but not non-elders?

  when did this happen?

  !.

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