Posts by ScenicViewer

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Trailer for 2013 Candace Conti / Rick Simons interview, now on YouTube

by cedars in

hi guys.

i have uploaded the following trailer for a forthcoming series of interview videos.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ebwpjm6wa.

the interview, which was filmed on 10th february 2013, was based on questions provided by posters from this forum, specifically from this thread.... .

Misquotes, Lies and deception in Watchtower Publications

by jwfacts in

i have just finished an article misquotes, deception and lies and would like your comments, proof reading, and any other examples that you think are important to add.

most of these already appear on jwfacts.com within specific articles, but it is more powerful seeing them included together.

there have also been a number of requests over the years for such a collection.

Ray Publisher - Great find. I'll add the Readers Digest images as well, but will need to look into it for more information. I love how they copied it, but erased one person so it would not seem like it was stolen.

Jwfacts, these links may be helpful. They both appear to cover basically the same information, including letters to and from Watchtower regarding the plagiairized photo.

http://www.watchtowerlies.com/watchtowerlies_063.htm

http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/86.htm

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Questions From Readers - October 20th, 2010

by sd-7 in

jw
friends

why are jehovah's witnesses as a whole not permitted to read the elder's manual?.

on the first day of the unfermented cakes, well before his arrest and sacrificial death, jesus christ instructed his disciples on how to prepare for the passover.

when he did so, he did not provide advance, detailed instructions for all of his disciples; instead, he dispatched only two of them to find a suitable location, which he evidently had already planned with the householder.

ScenicViewer

Taken in.

I thought it was absolutely read until I read the follow up posts.

That was incredibly good.

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Scriptural rebuttal of the "two witness" rule relevant to JW child abuse policy - Timothy Kline article

by yadda yadda 2 in

former jw timothy kline wrote an excellent article in 2002 that examines from a scriptural perspective the watchtower society's "two witnesses" requirement applicable to child abuse allegations (called "part 1" but there appears to be no further parts).

the article shows there are certainly alternative interpretations available to the watchtower society that would allow them to easily adjust this flawed aspect of their policy while still adhering to scriptural principles.

16 but if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established.

ScenicViewer

I just now saw this and haven't read the article yet, but...

I've always felt that Watchtower's insistence on using the 2-witness rule in child abuse cases was a complete misapplication of scripture, and that the real reason it is being used is to keep the problem of child molesting quiet in order to protect the Organization's public image. After all the judgemental finger-pointing that Watchtower has done to other religious groups it wouldn't do to let it be known JWs are no different.

I am going to savor this article!

Thanks for the post.

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Has a wrong disfellowshipping ever been reversed?

by lostnotfound in

im not talking about simply being reinstated.

i remember hearing a story about a brother that was disfellowshipped because of the testimony of two false witnesses.

years passed before they admitted to lying about the brother and was reinstated.. what is policy in this sort of situation?

ScenicViewer

itsybitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat,

did your story happen in Arizona?

No, it was in central California. Do you know of a similar case in Az?

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Has a wrong disfellowshipping ever been reversed?

by lostnotfound in

im not talking about simply being reinstated.

i remember hearing a story about a brother that was disfellowshipped because of the testimony of two false witnesses.

years passed before they admitted to lying about the brother and was reinstated.. what is policy in this sort of situation?

ScenicViewer

I know of one DF'ing that was reversed in the 1970s.

An announcement was made that Brother _______ has been disfellowshipped. (that's the way it was said then)

The announcement was aparrently made too early, not allowing for his appeal, because 2 weeks later it was announced that "the DF'ing of Brother ______ has been rescinded."

I'm not sure what the details were, but I believe it had to do with financial dealings because he was an accountant, and a relative who worked with him in his business was also DF'd; the relative was somewhat of a scam artist, always had some kind of a get-rich-quick scheme going.

The relative's DF'ing stuck.

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Nancy Yuen China 1953- 23 years jail for refusing to stop door to door! Why did she do it?

by Witness 007 in

the new communist government were reasonable.

you can preach in your halls just not "door to door.

" missionary stanley jones and other non chinese stoped...but encouraged the chinese brothers to continue.

ScenicViewer

Is it true that missionary Witnesses stopped going door to door, but encouraged Chinese Witnesses to keep doing it?

Why? The double standard of that is awful.

It also shows the lack of love that the Watchtower organization has for it's rank-and-file followers. It leaves the feeling that people are disposable to Watchtower as long as a good persecution story can be published, which can often be spun into a good sales pitch to make the Organization grow.

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I Keep Hearing About Conti's? What's the 411?

by slipnslidemaster in

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friends

there was a conti that was a do in my circuit a few years ago.

who are the conti's that everyone is talking about?

?.

ScenicViewer

A few more reports that are still on the internet.

MSNBC, http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/15/12225753-jehovahs-witnesses-ordered-to-pay-more-than-20-million-to-woman-who-said-she-was-sexually-abused?lite

Examiner, http://www.examiner.com/article/jehovah-s-witnesses-ordered-to-pay-21-million-child-sex-abuse-case

Mercury News, http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_20867873/jehovahs-witnesses-must-pay-20-million-fremont-sex

Patheos, http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/06/15/another-church-sex-scandal-but-its-not-what-youre-expecting/

U.S. News, http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2012/06/16/calif-jury-awards-28m-in-jehovahs-sex-abuse-case

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What JW catch phrase DRIVES YOU NUTS!!!!

by megaflower in

jw
friends

"we should be mindful".

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

ScenicViewer

"New Light."

It's the crutch that Witnesses use to explain away a long list of past lies.

There are some great responses here, expressions I haven't heard in years. When you see them all in one place it becomes strikingly clear that Witnesses are speaking the language of a cult.

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1975 AWAKE!!! Predictions

by iamwhoiam in

over at the archives..enjoy!.

http://archive.org/details/1975predictionsinawakemagazinebyjehovahswitnesses.

*click on pdf at the left side of the page.

ScenicViewer

Haelcer, I would like to have that download but I couldn't figure out how to get it without registering to something.

Any suggestions anybody?