Posts by ScenicViewer

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Red Alert - Propaganda is Being Used!!!!!!!!

by The Searcher in

check out the latest watchtower:.

"your defense?

be determined to stick to jehovah’s organization and loyally support the leadership he provides—no matter what imperfections may surface.

ScenicViewer

Despite being told to follow flawed and imperfect men Watchtower continues to pretend it's beliefs are based on the Bible.

Watchtower (Study) July 2017, page 20, par 16

16 Today, Jehovah guides us with his Word, the Bible.

Then, notice how quickly Watchtower transitions from following the Bible into following imperfect men, as if following a flawed organization is the same thing as being guided by the Bible.

Watchtower (Study) July 2017, page 20, par 16

Think about how you benefit from reading the Bible, examining the publications of “the faithful and discreet slave,” watching JW Broadcasting, visiting jw.org, talking with the elders, and associating with fellow Christians. (Matt. 24:45) Have you not seen that Jehovah is swift to provide you with his guidance?

This is a classic example of Watchtower blending concepts to make it appear that their literature, TV programs, imperfect and flawed leaders, etc, are on the same level as God's Word.

Watchtower is effectively making itself equal to God. As most readers here can already see, the Organization and it's leaders are the golden calf that Jehovah's Witnesses really worship regardless of how flawed it all is.

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

ScenicViewer

Landy: I objected to your description...

Yes, I got that.

Landy: You used the term to elicit a particular response.

No I didn't. I said the children were innocent simply because they are. I suppose your argument is that all small children are innocent, therefore it doesn't need to be mentioned. Fair enough, but I will ask the question again, Are you really finding fault because I said sexually molested children are innocent. Isn't that a bit nit-picky?

Landy: Whether unconsciously or not. It was unnecessary.

At the same time it doesn't hurt a thing, nor does it do anything to slant the judgement of people reading it.

Does finding fault over trivial remarks make you feel superior? This is an attitude that I remember well from being a Jehovah's Witness. It's as if nit-picking wins points and makes the nit-picker somebody. It doesn't.

In the OP you said you were about a 6 on your scale of being anti-Witness, but you come across more like a solid 1.

What is really unnecessary is your fault finding over small details. I suppose it's all to draw attention away from the larger problem of JWs sexually molesting children and covering it up for the sake of public image.

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

ScenicViewer

...innocent children....
You've used the term for effect to bolster your argument. It's unnecessary.

Really? You're finding fault because I said that children who are sexually abused within the Organization of JWs, then not believed because of the JW misapplication of the 2-witness rule, are innocent?

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

ScenicViewer

I will stay away from you at parties though. ;)

Thank you.

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What's your degree of anti-JWness?

by Landy in

so, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is absolutely pro-jw, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate, where do you stand?.

i'm probably around a 6. i have the view that jws are a nothing marginal religion.

if i hadn't been brought up as one i doubt they would have ever entered my consciousness.. the reasons it's a 6 and not a 5 is that i have some concerns over their child baptism and safeguarding procedures, but i think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

ScenicViewer

...I think it's down to them being a bit dim rather than any pro child abusing ethos.

The choice you offer is too limited, either they are 'dim,' or they are 'pro child abuse.'

And it depends on what you mean by "them," Jehovah's Witnesses as individuals or the Organization that controls them.

Individual Witnesses might be a bit dim, but mainly they are heavily controlled. The truly evil thing is the Organization itself.

As to the 'pro child abuse' choice, neither JWs nor the Organization are pro child abuse per se. Most individual Witnesses are unaware of what goes on because they are told not to pay attention to any negative news items relating to JWs because it's 'Satan's persecution against God's innocent people.'

Their horrible lack of a workable child protection policy comes from the fact that the Organization needs to protect it's own public image. If innocent children are abused and fall by the wayside, the Organization's attitude is 'So be it, God's Organization comes first.' The child abuse is a result of the 'We are God's chosen people' attitude of JWs and their Organization.

"...1 is absolutely pro-JW, 5 is neutral and 10 is youtubing nutjob apostate..."

Why does 10 have to be related to a "nutjob apostate?" Why can't 10 be ex-JWs who are telling the truth about the Organization? There are plenty of those on Youtube and they are well worth watching.

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What do you think the Australian Government will do?

by Richard Oliver in

i am not wanting to start a fight.

i just want to hear what people think.

honestly and realistically, what do you think the australian government will do, with watchtower, when they receive the full arc report?.

ScenicViewer

Richard Oliver: I am not wanting to start a fight.

Yes you are.

Richard Oliver: I just want to hear what people think.

No you don't.

Richard Oliver: I am looking for realistic expressions...

No you're not.

Richard Oliver: ...this is when you consider section 51 and 116 of the Commonwealth's Constitution.

Nice try, but as Steve2 so rightly pointed out, this is where your "pin-pricking" will begin.

Richard Oliver: I am just looking for answers to that question.

No, you're pretending to.

Richard Oliver: I have no intention to respond to any statements that give an answer to that question.

Yes you do.

Richard Oliver, for the 3rd time: I just want to get an answer.

Oh dear.

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Baptism at 10 years of age! March 2017 broadcast

by stuckinarut2 in

(i wanted to put this in the child abuse section of the forum!).

we have seen that during the march 2017 broadcast, m stephen lett has openly praised children who get baptised as young as 10!.

so lets summarize why it is wrong to push child baptism (not far off "infant baptism" that jws condemn other churches for).

ScenicViewer

Sometimes kids are baptized even younger than 10. I've heard of 6 year olds being baptized and there was such an experience published in the Watchtower Magazine.

By publishing young baptisms Watchtower is encouraging other young children to be baptized too.

Baptized at 6 (W 3-1-1992, p27. "Pursuing a Goal Set at Six Years of Age," life story of Sandra Cowan)
"In the summer of 1946, I was baptized at the international convention in Cleveland, Ohio. Although I was only six years of age, I was determined to fulfill my dedication to Jehovah. That summer I served as a pioneer for the first time. I remember one morning placing 40 magazines with people seated at The Plaza in San Diego, California. My being tiny and talkative had a lot to do with it, I’m sure."
Baptized at 8 (yb02 p. 110 Curaçao)
"In Bonaire, six-year-old Renzo was invited to the Kingdom Hall and enjoyed it very much. A Bible study was started with him, and from then on he refused to go to the Catholic church....Subsequently, Renzo’s father and mother along with one of Renzo’s Bible students were baptized. Renzo, now eight years old, was baptized at a circuit assembly in Bonaire."
Baptized at 9 (w96 10/15 p. 32 "Jehovah Answered My Prayers!")
"Consider, for example, a boy named Joel. He symbolized his dedication to Jehovah and was baptized at nine years of age."
Baptized in 4th grade and 6th grade (around 9 and 11) (w95 1/1 p. 24 “Out of the Mouth of Babes”)
"During her six years of elementary school, Ayumi arranged for 13 Bible studies. She was baptized while in the fourth grade, and one of her friends with whom she had studied was baptized in the sixth grade."

But when these baptized children misbehave they are tried and judged as any adult would be in the congregation.

(Pay Attention to Yourself and to All the Flock, p. 98)
"When a baptized minor becomes involved in wrongdoing that threatens the cleanness of the congregation, the assigned committee should meet with such individual just as they would with any other member of the congregation"

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ARC Live Streaming site ?

by Gayle in

jw
friends

what is the exact live streaming site for the arc today in sydney?

i hope someone or more here will be watching and giving info/quips throughout the case.

also, will someone here or elsewhere be able to 'save' a video of this (all or part).

ScenicViewer

Yes, I have the video going but it's only playing audio.

As a test I activated the Audio player at the same time. Got the same audio but slightly out of sync with the audio I am getting from the video player.

Oh well, the audio is the important part.

Maybe I'll refresh the tab and see if the video starts.

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ARC Live Streaming site ?

by Gayle in

jw
friends

what is the exact live streaming site for the arc today in sydney?

i hope someone or more here will be watching and giving info/quips throughout the case.

also, will someone here or elsewhere be able to 'save' a video of this (all or part).

ScenicViewer

Several minutes in and I'm getting great Audio, but no Video. Anyone else getting this?

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ARC Live Streaming site ?

by Gayle in

jw
friends

what is the exact live streaming site for the arc today in sydney?

i hope someone or more here will be watching and giving info/quips throughout the case.

also, will someone here or elsewhere be able to 'save' a video of this (all or part).

ScenicViewer

...'considerable regret' that no member of the GB has made themselves available for this hearing.

Shame on Watchtower for that!