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  Just a quick Poll...Do you think the GB is sincere?

  by NikL in

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  i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.

  is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.

  they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.

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  I agree all the leaders - Russel, Rutherford, Knorr and Franz *knew* it was made up BS.

  Does that include the current GB members too?

  BTW I agree with your remarks that they know it's all made up.
  
  
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  whatever happened to rotation? wt study to April two.

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
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  with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?

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  ScenicViewer

  I merely wanted to point out how odd it is, that an arrangement, that would have served to broaden the base, and ferret out latent talent, would not be mentioned in a shake-up article like that.

  
  
  
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  whatever happened to rotation? wt study to April two.

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?

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  The rotational arrangement was wrong, S V.

  comment: It was wrong only from the standpoint of wt's goal to establish an iron-handed hierarchy. From the standpoint of the mag. studied, it would have broadened the base of skilled brothers with hands-on involvement but it exposed too many superfluous second rate holdouts., among other things.

  When I said the rotational arrangement was wrong I meant from a Biblical point of view. Watchtower tried to make a connection with the Bible at the start of the rotation, but it was weak, and later reversed itself in the 1983 Organization book.
  

  "The elders do not serve in these positions on a rotational basis." Organized to Accomplish You Ministry p.41
  
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  Just a quick Poll...Do you think the GB is sincere?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.

  is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.

  they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.

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  ScenicViewer

  They're drones...

  If sincerity plays a role at all, they're sincere in their interest in perpetuating the Watchtower organization.

  
  
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  Just a quick Poll...Do you think the GB is sincere?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.

  is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.

  they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.

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  ScenicViewer

  C: Completely insincere.

  At one time I thought they were sincere, but Geoffrey Jackson changed my mind when he testified before the Australian Royal Commission.

  He remarked that the Governing Body were simply "Guardians of the Doctrine." Have you ever heard the GB define itself that way? I searched the term 'guardians of doctrine' in the searchable Watchtower CD and got zero hits. I've never heard the term before, nor seen it in the literature.
  

  Yet he said it so easily, as if he has said it before. I have come to believe that it's an inside joke among GB members; they realize they are the entities that Jehovah's Witnesses really worship. The acronym is G.O.Ds.
  
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  whatever happened to rotation? wt study to April two.

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?

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  Blondie, that's a very good post from Jwfacts. The rotational arrangement was wrong, and who did the Organization blame because they got it wrong? In Watchtower's clever way, they blamed Jesus!

  Notice the subheading...

  THE KING ORGANIZES HIS SUBJECTS FOR GREATER ACTIVITY

  
  Watchtower 2014 Jan 15 p.15

  Of course neither Jesus nor Jehovah had anything to do with it - Watchtower does it's own meddling, makes it's own mistakes, then later has to make it's own refinements - but it sure sounds great to say 'the King did it.'

  
  
  
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  whatever happened to rotation? wt study to April two.

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?

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  28 At any rate, the experienced elders and overseers will be available for the Messianic King to appoint as “princes in all the earth,” from the very start of his thousand-year reign onward. [Man's Salvation (book), 1975, page 363, par28] (bold added)
  

  [There are other references saying that "princes in all the earth" applies to elders. (Ps 45:16)]

  So they went from being called servants to elders and overseers, to princes and glorious ones. And don't forget the reference that says they are "worthy of double honor." (1Tim 5:17)
  

  Wow, that's more presumptuous and worship seeking than what we usually see in the churches' clergy.
  
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  whatever happened to rotation? wt study to April two.

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with all the emphasis on hierarchical succession in that wt, , what ever happened to mentioning of the refreshing, liberating "rotating of positions" period, the time of great increase?

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  I remember when elders rotated positions. I believe it started when the elder arrangement started in the early 1970s. Without looking it up, I seem to remember that it didn't last very long, only a few years, then it was abandoned probably before the 1970s ended.

  There never was a scriptural basis for it.
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  tidbits from recent C.O. visit

  by nowwhat? in

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  "all people in the world are currently considered enemies of god" gee i wonder where some poeple get the idea that we are an extremist organization.. " jehovahs chariot is moving forward at blazing speed!

  " in what reality is contraction and downsizing moving forward?.

  "it used to be that if a congregation reached 150 publishers we would split into 2 congregations now if we have 2 congs.

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  "Don't believe negative media reports!"

  Unless, of course, they are about child abuse in the Catholic Church (or elsewhere), NO NO NO, NOT within Jehober's bOrganization!!

  Exactly! If media reports are negative to any other religion you not only can believe it, but Watchtower will quote the media report in the Watchtower and Awake magazines to show how bad that religion is.

  But when the same media makes the same report about Jehovah's Witnesses you can't believe it because, to quote Anthony Morris III, the media is controlled by "you know who!" As he is in the habit of doing he didn't finish his thought in that quote, but I suppose he meant Satan.

  Okie dokie then.
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  Can we support Russian government's ban?

  by intropist in

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  글쓴이: 류비 / 시간: 목, 03/30/2017 - 14:48. .

  hi, i want to leave my personal opinion on the matter of russian government's banning on the activity of jehovah's witnesses in their territory.

  i think it's more or less important because bearing a certain opinion is related with the quality of life.

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  No matter how much we hated the JW organization, we could not support Nazi's persecution toward it.

  As for this time's Russian case, I think we can't support its ban.

  There is, of course, a big difference between the Nazi imprisonment and killing of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Russian ban on the religion for extremist reasons.

  I go back and forth with myself as to whether I support the ban or not, but there is one single JW practice that makes me lean toward supporting it - no blood transfusions, which results in loss of human life.

  If the ban goes through presumably Hospital Liaison Committees (HLCs) will not be allowed to exist and therefore cannot interfere in medical cases, which will result in the saving of life.

  The breaking up of families as a result of DF'ing and shunning is big with me too, but this may continue, business as usual, since JWs will continue to exist as an underground religion in Russia. However the practice may be curtailed a little bit.

  As to the human rights issue of banning any religion, it's true that Russia isn't exactly a world leader in supporting human rights, but neither are JWs who insist on freedom of religion for themselves but refuse to allow the same freedom to those who choose to leave the JW religion.

  If JWs receive the same treatment from the Russian government that they have dished out to their followers for many decades, then as far as I'm concerned it's just a matter of fighting fire with fire, and I will feel that they have met their match in the Russian government.

  In the end, if the ban goes through, I can support it mainly because it will interfere with Watchtower's no-blood policy, at least a little, and result in the saving of life over time.