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  My non-belief actually make me a more moral person!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  no doubt we have all heard the statement from witnesses and christians in general that those who leave the faith only do so because they want to sin, or they feel guilty or whatever.... the reality is, i reckon we are all more "moral" now that we have left!.

  many of us contribute to humanitarian efforts, community groups, welfare groups, etc.. many of us actually do something tangible to assist people.. we don't look with critical eyes on them or their lives.. and most importantly, we do not joyfully await the mass genocide of men, women, children and babies by a petty, jealous, and tyrannical god!.

  thoughts?.

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  Now that I am out of the Org, I feel that I am far less judgmental, more eager to help people and just overall a nicer person.

  Ditto!
  
  
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  NWT - revised 1984 vs revised 2013 versions

  by Tallon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest 2013 revision the footnote of john chapter 8 states; a number of ancient and authoritative manuscripts omit vs 53 (of chapter 7) to chapter 8, vs. 11.. yet the 1984 revision quotes a similar footnote, however the passage of scripture is included in the text, albeit separately at the bottom.

  this passage of scripture is about the scribes and the pharisees who brought a woman that was accused of adultery before jesus to test him on the punishment to be meted out.

  then came his famous reply; let the one of you that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her.. i just found it interesting that the wtbts would leave this out in the latest revision.

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  Information regarding meeting in small groups was removed.

  Watchtower's go-to scripture on meeting attendance is Heb 10:24, 25. In older NWTs that verse had several cross references listed (in the center column), some of which were removed in the revised NWT.

  In the image below notice that in the previous NWT, after the expression "gathering of ourselves together," there is a reference to the center column which has 4 scriptures noted. Then in the rNWT the same verse, after the words "meeting together," there are only 2 scriptures noted - Mt 18:20 and Acts 20:8 have been removed from the cross references.

  Why?

  

  Mt 18:20 is the main one of interest in this post. It says...

  "20 For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”
  

  I would be interested in hearing Watchtower's explanation for removing this reference. Of course the official explanation and the real reason are probably two different things. In reality it appears that Watchtower's concept of Organization is being violated by this verse. Can you imagine Watchtower allowing Witnesses to break off into small groups, as small as 2 or 3, to have meetings? Absolutely not. Watchtower organizes all the meetings of JWs and tells you where and when to meet. Even though Jehovah supports it, the Bible supports it, and Jesus Christ supports it, the Governing Body would never allow such a thing.

  So, the cross reference to Mt 18:20 just haaad to go!
  

  (I suspect Watchtower would say that verse was meant for remote locations where only small groups could be formed, even though I can't find anything to that effect in the scripture.)

  (FYI, the other verse that was eliminated, Acts 20:8, tells of the young man Eutychus that fell asleep at a meeting (in vs 9) and fell out of a window. Maybe that reference was removed because it hits too close to home - Watchtower's meetings tend to be overly boring, putting people to sleep.)
  
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  Zalkin

  by the girl next door in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there may not be anyone on the planet that has inside information about watchtower abuse in regard to sexual child abuse than zalkin.

  he has been given a plethora of inside information but can not share it by order of the court.

  when will the courts lift this veil of protection for religious entities?

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  ...if we can keep things confidential for 5 years then it's all in the past...

  Sometimes less, as low as 2 years in some cases.
  
  
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  Subliminal images - why and who are the individuals behind it?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember about 5 years ago reading on another site about subliminal images in wt literature.

  i honestly thought it a load of bs until i checked out one glaringly obvious image of a creepy skull in clouds within the knowledge book.

  i was shocked and even showed my wife at the time who thought it was creepy.. so my question is why?

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  I can't see much in the above image. Do you remember which publication it is in? If I have it I will check it out.
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  Bible pssssges that are immoral - Lot offering his virgin daughters to be gang raped by homosexual males

  by jambon1 in

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  tell me me more about your just & loving god..

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  evilbible.com is a great site that has a lot of this compiled and indexed.

  Thanks Rebel8 for the reference. That site is an eye opener.
  
  
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  Ex-Wife of Canadian JW Attorney Speaks to NATIONAL POST about KIDNAPPING sick JW kids

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  jwn poster, uzzah, posted a link to this article in one of his older posts which he brought to the top, but i think this excellent article deserves a thread of its own.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/178981/1/interesting-phone-call-media-the-blood-issuenational post http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2041666sept.

  28, 2009. a witness accountchurch denies moving children to avoid transfusions.

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  I think the final straw was dad breaking mom's arm.

  Your Dad was an attorney who did work for Watchtower when needed, and his behavior toward your Mom was so violent that he actually broke her arm? It wasn't some kind of accident?

  I haven't listened to the broadcast on Six Screens (mentioned on another thread) or read anything of this until your posts. I am always shocked when I hear of violence in JW families. It's something I never saw but read plenty about now that I am out.
  
  
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  A request to our members living in the USA - Time Magazine

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have a request to our friends living in the usa.

  im trying to track down an article printed by time magazine in which they interviewed fred franz.

  in my local library here in liverpool they have a massive bound volume collection of time going back to the 1930s.

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  mentalclarity is wrong about Russell's expectation for 1914.

  That remark hit me too, but I believe mantalclarity was simply quoting the Time Magazine article about Fred Franz; it was that article that said this...

  The next year he [Fred Franz] dropped out of the University of Cincinnati without completing his junior year; he saw no sense in remaining because the movement's founder, Charles Taze Russell, had announced Oct. 1, 1914, as the date for Christ's Second Coming.

  But you are absolutely right, C.T. Russell believed in one date only for the return of Christ and that was 1874. Until the day he died Russell believed that Christ had been invisibly present (parousia) since 1874.

  Either Time Magazine got their information mixed up or F. Franz had misled them.
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  A request to our members living in the USA - Time Magazine

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have a request to our friends living in the usa.

  im trying to track down an article printed by time magazine in which they interviewed fred franz.

  in my local library here in liverpool they have a massive bound volume collection of time going back to the 1930s.

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  The perks of higher education - you have access to online library/digital journal database

  In addition, higher education gives you -- mental clarity!

  (That is a great screen name, BTW)
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  Netflix Docuseries - The Keepers

  by sillygirlforgotpassword in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  has anyone watched the netflix documentary series called "the keepers"?

  it's a true life based series about the murder of a nun and the associated coverup (church + state).

  it was riveting to see how much can be swept under the carpet (even today?!

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  I saw this a few weeks ago and you are right, it was riveting.

  Not only were two murders unsolved, one of them a Nun, but the case branched out into child sexual molestation issues by one particular Priest. When the Nun learned of the sexual molestation of one student and confronted the Priest about it she disappeared and was found murdered.

  The stalling, cover-ups, lying, etc, by the Catholic Church regarding the molestations is very similar to the same actions by Watchtower, the main difference being that Watchtower has no political clout.

  In the documentary information regarding the murders and molestations seemed to vanish when it reached the desk of the District Attorney.
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  As an Ex JW now, how would you react if you met your Bible study conductor?

  by EverApostate in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was a jw for 11 years , came to know ttatt and wrote my disassociation letter 5 years ago.

  since then i had been an atheist and trying all i can to spread awareness for “still in” members.

  my wife and mom are still jws and i do get along with them perfectly.

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  I would say "How was prison life?"

  Not really - I wouldn't bring that up - but he did do prison time for Fish and Game violations. Although he was an elder for many years he let greed set in, which moved him to violate laws for the profits.

  I have lost track of him and have no idea what his standing is with the religion now.