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California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

WT Society needs to be brought down big time.
Yes, it does, but not because of the JW elder that hasn't been tried yet. I can't find where anyone said that.
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California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Well, another of your tactics is to mix concepts to arrive at a false conclusion.
In Flipper's post it says:
- The police received an anonymous tip [about the JW elder]
- The police arrested him
- And this important point, "Now we'll watch the scene unfold in the courtroom..." Flipper is not condemning the JW elder as being guilty before the trial.
- You have twisted the remark about being 'guilty' as well. Flipper was expressing what JWs were likely to say, and he is right, JWs often claim that their own can't have done the crime. Not only that, he is actually saying that Witness would say he is not guilty. Read it Fisherman. He was saying that JWs would say he is not guilty, because he couldn't have done it, he is an elder!
Not that Flipper can't reply on his own, he is onto you as much, probably more, than most.
I don't remember anyone here saying the JW elder was guilty, only that he was arrested and charged.
You know that, but you repeatedly misapply and twist words to suit an ulterior motive, which is to confuse an issue as if that somehow defends your religion.
And in all of this you still haven't answered the original question, Why did you link the story about the two detectives? What do they have to do with the arrested JW elder? Nothing as far as you have explained. You did it only to soften the impact of a JW elder being arrested as far as I can tell, but if that isn't it you are certainly still welcome to answer it if you can find time to work it in.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Fisherman: You haven't responded to any of my questions...
That of course if your usual refrain. Your technique of refusing to answer direct and simple questions, while attempting to deflect by accusing others of not answering your questions, is what I have become accustomed to by your posts.
It was you that posted the link, and you have been asked what your point was again and again, but somehow, in your mind, I have to explain the point.
you refuse to listen to me...
Actually I would love to listen to you, if you only had it in you to not be evasive.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Fisherman: The related JW elder worked for the police, so did the detectives, they were both charged with a crime. So what?
So what? Do you mean there is no point? You are the one who posted the link, and we are still waiting for you to explain why. ~~Surely you must have had a point.~~
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

dubstepped: Why cast your pearls before swine? Fisherman isn't worth your arguments.
There is a lot of truth in what you say in your excellent post.
The reason I occasionally reply to Fisherman is for the benefit of other readers, new ones that may not yet be onto his misleading argumentative style and evasive tactics.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Fisherman: If you probably haven't figured it out yet, not all 'sexual misbehavior' ( a Midemeanor ) is rape ( a Felony),
As is your style, you refuse to acknowledge that all rape is sexual misbehavior, just as all swine are animals unless the word is used metaphorically (reference to your previous post). Your misrepresentations change nothing. At no time did I say that all sexual misbehavior is rape, as your constant twists try to mislead readers into thinking.
And you still refuse to address the question put to you a few times here, which is Why post an off subject link to detectives charged with rape, which is sexual misbehavior regardless of how you need to see it, in a thread about a JW elder who was arrested over criminal sexual charges? One poster suggested it was to try to lessen the blow of how bad JWs can be, a left handed attempt at defending JWs, and I agree.
Do you care to answer it now? Based on your past posts I won't be holding my breath waiting for a straight answer. Yes, you are running on empty as a JW defender.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Fisherman: No I am not. Not all animals are swine.
As mentioned, you are running on empty.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Fisherman: Not all sexual misbehavior is as serious as rape and not all indictments result in an adjudication of "guilty."
Again you are trying to cloud the issue. All rape is sexual misbehavior.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Fisherman: Wrong. Cops were indicted for rape, not sexual misbehavior. And they are not "being guilty."
You are actually arguing that rape isn't sexual misbehavior?
Sure, just like being on this 'apostate' site isn't a violation of Watchtower teaching.
Creating a cloud of senseless confusion by parsing words, simply to avoid answering direct questions is your whole point - And the question was, What is the point of posting an article about police detectives raping someone on this thread?
You are running on empty Fisherman.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

@ Fisherman
I'm curious too, why did you link to an article about police detectives being guilty of sexual misbehavior in a thread about a JW elder molesting an underage teenager and being arrested for it?
Is it to prove that JWs are no worse than 'wordly' people?