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California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

It seems the double posts continue. For a brief instant I think I saw three of the same thing.
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California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer
- I tried to warn you but you just had to feed the troll and now look how far he gets you from the subject matter.
  Yes, that's how Fisherman works.
  He knows about the things he asks about, he's just wasting your time.
  I get that too, but I still believe that in a left handed way Fisherman is an asset to helping a lot of good hearted JWs wake up. The longer he argues the more silly his arguments become.
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87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Do you know that wt has a database of child molestors? I want to know what you know.
Watchtower sent a letter to bodies of elders, in the USA as I recall, requesting that information. A few months later they sent a follow up letter reminding the elders to compile it.
Watchtower has acknowledged having it. In one court case, when asked to produce it, they replied that it would take too long to get to it. That didn't hold up, but by making the argument they were agreeing they had it.
Why don't you ask Watchtower for it?
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Way too many what?
I address that in my reply.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Way too many what?
I address that in my reply.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

How many [JW elders guilty molesting children]?
I told you - WAY too many.
But if you are looking for a specific number you will need to consult Watchtower and ask for the list, the database of child molesters they compiled years ago. They have been court ordered to produce it and they have refused to.
Watchtower would know which ones on the list are elders, and which ones were convicted in court as opposed to the ones that the authorities were never notified about because they were either handled 'in house' by Watchtower's judicial committee process or the authorities were never notified because of the way the Organization applies the two witness rule.
Maybe they will give it to you, just explain that you are Fisherman and that you have been asking, but I doubt it. Watchtower is determined to keep is secret.
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Strange double post for some reason?
87
California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

it'd be a breath of fresh air if an elder got arrested for something else.
It certainly would.
It would also be a breath of fresh air if one of them received a trial verdict of not guilty! I guess it could happen, and maybe somewhere it has, but WAY too many are found guilty.
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Ireland: A Failure To Bear Witness?
by darkspilver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
feature article in today's print edition (sunday, october 29, 2017) of the irish sunday business post newspaper along with small article on the front page.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_sunday_business_post.

jehovah’s witnesses in spotlight over their response to abuse cases.

the sunday business post, sunday, october 29, 2017 - front page of print edition.
ScenicViewer

That is a great article. It touches all the bases regarding the child abuse issues of Watchtower, from how Watchtower handles cases in Ireland, to the Royal Commission in Australia, to the Charity Commission in Britain, to work done by the Center for Investigative Reporting, to law suits in the United states. It's very thorough.
And notice how Watchtower's actions parallel the Catholic Churches...
Also present was Professor Geoffrey Shannon, Ireland’s Special Rapporteur on Child Protection, who gave a talk on the parallels between the Jehovah’s Witnesses handling of child sexual abuse allegations and that of the Catholic Church.

Shannon told the Sunday Business Post that, during his talk, he explained to the audience how in both the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Catholic Church, “the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the good name of the church and the assets of the church all took precedence over protecting vulnerable children”.
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California Elder Arrested
by James Jack in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
crime.

daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .
ScenicViewer

Fisherman: Everyone accused of committing a crime should be heard with all fairness.
Absolutely. Do you honestly believe that people here disagree with that concept and that you are the only one that gets it?
The Related JW elder is a defendant like the detectives in my post. That is my point. Got it?
The detectives are only defendants, as is the JW elder that was arrested, that is your point? Really? That's it? Well, okie dokie then, thanks for explaining it. It sure took you long enough to come up with that, I was hoping for something with more substance.