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Did something changed regarding faders recently?

by Gorb in

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friendly and good gorby smiled and waved towards 2 local jw's yesterday, and they turned with an angry face their back to me.

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has something changed regarding faders recently?.

ScenicViewer

I don't have a reference at hand, but I seem to remember a remark in the Watchtower (or other JW literature), within the past 2 or 3 years, to the effect that if you haven't seen someone at the Kingdom Hall in a long time it's probably because they are living in 'serious sin.' (If someone has that reference, a note of it would be appreciated)

And how do JWs react to other JWs who are living in serious sin? They typically shun them, in this case even if there is no real indication of serious sin - Watchtower just planting the idea in the minds of JWs is enough.

Shunning has progressed over the years from JWs being completely against it (it was said to be unkind, unloving, unchristian, unscriptural, and a pagan practice), to only shunning DF'd people, to also shunning those who formally disassociate, to now shunning those who have quietly faded away.

In the case of many faders of course, they are not living in sin at all but have faded for solid reasons of conscience, but the Watchtower organization makes no allowances for conscience.

I believe this is a sign of desperation on Watchtower's part. It's about isolating JWs from anyone who might have an opposing point of view to a JW teaching.

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The Watchtowers

by BluesBrother in

edit .. i messed up the title, on this touchscreen tablet and now i can’t edit it !

the title should be “ the watchtower’s (sort of) apology for 1975 ….. sorry.

january 1st 1976, i remember that day when i heard a radio disc jockey gleefully announce that the world had not ended as jehovah’s witnesses had said it would .

ScenicViewer

You go to a church, which tells you NOTHING of what the Bible really says.

At first you seem to be finding fault with me that I don't go to a church, which is simply your assumption, then you find fault again if I do go to a church saying that tells me (or you) NOTHING of what the Bible actually says. I have no idea what your point is except that you are trying to find fault coming and going, which is fairly typical of Jehovah's Witnesses, but making sense tends to come in second place.

Does the GB have the spirit of the 12 apostles? It would seem so.

It would seem so? Aren't you sure?

They [the GB] will have to answers for themselves.

That's right. Again, I have to wonder, Why do you continue to follow an organization led by imperfect humans that have lied and mislead so often, and you seem to be aware of it. You say they will have to answer for themselves - I presume you mean answer to God - but so will you. Are you not aware that the Bible says, "Do not put your trust in nobles, Nor the son of earthing man, to whom no salvation belongs."? (NWT 1984 edition)

Again, JWs seem to bend over backwards to find fault with others, while at the same time ignoring their own.

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The Watchtowers

by BluesBrother in

edit .. i messed up the title, on this touchscreen tablet and now i can’t edit it !

the title should be “ the watchtower’s (sort of) apology for 1975 ….. sorry.

january 1st 1976, i remember that day when i heard a radio disc jockey gleefully announce that the world had not ended as jehovah’s witnesses had said it would .

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@ Doubting Thomas

I'm not sure if your post was directed at me or not. It isn't clear.

I DON'T.

You don't what?

I see Jehovah as God, the 'Org' (meaning the GB) just as men.

Of course. It is Jehovah that warns us against false prophets, and against those that lie. "But as for ... all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns fire and sulfur. This means the second death" (Rev 21:8, rNWT)

Those men, when caught in a lie, often say something like 'don't be deterred from God or his promises,' meaning in reality 'don't be deterred from us,' thus they are equating themselves with God. Why do you keep supporting a religion that differs from your own point of view?

I am a JW.

If you are familiar with even a small part of the Watchtower organization's misleading information, much of which amounts to outright lies, why are you still a Jehovah's Witness?

Since you realize He doesn't lie, you aren't going to a church?

What makes you think I don't go to a church?

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The Watchtowers

by BluesBrother in

edit .. i messed up the title, on this touchscreen tablet and now i can’t edit it !

the title should be “ the watchtower’s (sort of) apology for 1975 ….. sorry.

january 1st 1976, i remember that day when i heard a radio disc jockey gleefully announce that the world had not ended as jehovah’s witnesses had said it would .

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"...it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.”

"Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith in God’s promises. ”

It never ceases to amaze me how Jehovah's Witnesses equate their own religion (and their leaders) with God himself, saying we should never be disappointed in God or his promises. Right. But we should be very disappointed in the Organization that lied. God didn't lie, but Jehovah's Witnesses did. JWs should recognize the difference.

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Will Amazon be delivering today?

by Iamallcool in

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i got different answers on google!

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ScenicViewer

I have an item arriving today; Amazon says it's "Out for delivery."

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Former Elder, Pioneer and WT Writer Earns 9 Science Degrees - Jerry Bergman, Ph.D., BiologyJerry Bergman, Ph.D., Biology

by Sea Breeze in

jerry bergman, ph.d., biology.

biography.

jerry bergman has taught biology, genetics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, geology, and microbiology at northwest state college in archbold oh for over 25 years.

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Vienne...

You are trying to relieve my complaint about Bergman by finding something against my mother. That is disreputable. Probably explains why you are no longer a Witness. (bold added)

Are you saying that leaving the JW religion makes a person disreputable, but remaining a Witness would make a person reputable? After learning of the many flaws and the dishonesty in the religion it seems the opposite would be true - remaining in the religion would make a person disreputable.

Please explain.

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Congregation in PA sues over mandatory reporting

by Corney in

ivy hill congregation of jehovah's witnesses is currently suing the pa department of human services.

it requests "a declaration that its elders are entitled to" clergy privilege, or, in the alternative,.

to the extent that the clergyman privilege is determined to exclude its elders on the basis that they are "members of [a] religious organization[] in which members other than the leader thereof are deemed clergymen or ministers," the court declare the statute to be unconstitutional.

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@ Smiles,

Would you care to supply a page number for that Watchtower quote? Thanks.

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Are you open to having a count as to how many ex-JW`s on this site are vaccinated x2 jabs. ?

by smiddy3 in

i`ll go first ,i have my vaccinated 2 jabs for the elderly.. if i`m not around in the next 3 months you will know why ..

ScenicViewer

Moderna, both shots.

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Witnesses were Anti vaccine till 1950!

by Witness 007 in

"brother mcmillan wrote "faith on the march" about his wonderful life at bethel.

he wrote of an incident in 1943 where a group of witnesses in jail for refusing military service were against getting vaccinated and he came to the rescue visiting them and telling them it was ok. the reason for this was "the golden age" magazine in the 1920's describes vaccines as puss filled poison...so they were following their watchtower training..