You're an idiot.
Which means your figuring makes just enough sense that the Watchtower will probably adopt it!
P.S. I sincerely mean no disrespect to Smiddy.
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I`ll play the devils advocate : generation change
by smiddy ini have the wt may 15 1994 scan with the birthdates & deaths of the 16 people featured, and it occured to me using wt logic,that you could extend the generation timespan this way.. #6 d.d.
was born in 1892 and died in 1984. that was the earliest birth of this group.
#4 j.e was born in 1912 and died in 1997. the age gap between these two is 20 years.
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who does the society consider as apostates?
by booby infrom their literature as source.
i did some searching and was surprised that i couldn't find them referring to those who simply quit and/or speak their doubts as such..
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True apostates, according to the Bible, are people that have followed Jesus Christ, then turned away from him, actively opposing him. That is not always the way the Society applies the term.
When Witness say 'apostate' the word is almost always loaded with a slanted meaning. It's applied to anyone that has stopped following the Watchtower, even for good reasons, and actively talks about it.
(It occurs to me that by such spin, the Society has effectively made itself the equivalent of Christ.)
Randy Watters' resignation letter has a line that shows there are two kinds of apostates in Watchtower thinking, and one of them is clearly not supported by the Bible.
(Referring to a talk given to the Bethel family) "[Albert Schroeder] then holds up the Branch Organization Procedure book and pointed out it's 1,177 rules and regulations, knowing full well what Romans 7:6 says about Christians following sets of 'spiritual rules'. Then he actually admits that the beliefs of those dismissed [Dunlap, Franz, et al] were not an apostasy from the Bible, but from the organization! There IS a difference, isn't there?"
(Watters' letter is here, and it's a good read. http://www.freeminds.org/life-stories/bethelites/randy-s-letter-of-resignation-to-the-governing-body.html )
I am struck by what a violation this is of the Bible's instruction to 'not go beyond what is written'. 1Cor 4:6
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Sept. 13th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo ini received the following information from the xjw in australia who agreed to keep us all informed of whatever takes place at court hearings that involve steven unthank and the five watch tower entities that were recently criminally charged in victoria, australia.. .
this is the report for the hearing held on september 13, 2011.. .
barbara.
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I believe that technically Barbara, and the Australian XJW are absolutely right, that anyone in a position of responsibility is no longer irreprehensible if they have been charged with a serious crime, and this should include members of the Governing Body.
If one single member of the GB was charged, he might be viewed as not being irreprehensible. But this isn't just one GB member, it is all of them. Who in the organization makes up the rules? It is the Governing Body, is it not? As a group they can make the rules, change the rules, spin the rules, twist the rules, and if the entire Governing Body was ever in a really serious situation, you can be assured there would be "new light" on whatever topic suited their needs.
After all, isn't the GB already going against the rules it gives to Jehovah's Witnesses on a day to day basis? Consider some of these references regarding obedience to Ceaser's laws.
(Emphasis added to all quotes)
(W 12-15-73 p741) They ‘pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar’ by complying with registration and tax laws and by obeying all the laws of the land that are not contrary to God’s laws as stated in the Bible. It is only when “Caesar” demands what belongs to God, namely, worship, devotion or anything that detracts from their acknowledgment of Jehovah’s sovereignty, that they must refuse, choosing to “obey God as ruler rather than men.”—Matt. 22:21; Acts 5:29.
(Awake 7-22-93, box on p17) [Regarding the flag] It is their belief that one shows true respect for the flag by obeying the laws of the land it represents.
(W 9-15-75 p549, 550) All of Jehovah’s witnesses are taught to respect civil authority, since Romans 13:1 says: “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities,” that is, the civil governments. Hence, Jehovah’s witnesses obey all the laws of the land that do not conflict with the laws of God.
(Road to Life (book) Ch7 'Who Practice True Religion', Subheading 'Identifying True Worshipers') Likewise, the Witnesses take no part in the politics, nationalism, and class struggles of this world. However, they do pay their taxes and obey the laws of the land in which they live.—John 15:19; Romans 13:1, 7.
(W 5-15-80 p5) "Hence, it follows that there must be willingness, or at least a yielding, on the part of the governed for such governments to accomplish their purpose. That is why God’s Word commands Christians to “be in subjection . . . for there is no authority except by God.” So Christians are to obey the laws of the land, being conscientious in the paying of taxes, in heeding traffic regulations and in carrying out other obligations. All of this is in the interest of peace and order.—Rom. 13:1-7."
The Society and Bodies of Elders everywhere will quickly apply these references to individual Witnesses, but the Society itself, including the Governing Body, goes by it's own impulses and needs, and often violates the very principals it pretends to stand for, with seeming impunity.
That is the organizational attitued. Maybe one day the Watchtower will will be made to answer for it's hipocrasy. Maybe Steven Unthank will make a dent.
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Selective Memory
by EmptyInside ini don't know if this is the case with everyone.
but,most jehovah's witnesses i know seem to have selective memory.
they will deny straight to your face that in 1995 ,the generation, was explained to be the wicked contemporaries.
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Who said anything about 1975?
"It must have been people who ran ahead of Jehovah, since that date came and went."
Yes, they did run ahead of Jehovah. Who are 'they'? They are the Watchtower Society and it's Governing Body!
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Did YOU Change In Your Personality After You Left The Organization?
by minimus inwe knock a lot of things about the witnesses.
i wonder if we're really all that much different in our personalities as exjws.. .
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White Dove said, "Even churches say to hate the sin but love the sinner.'
Speaking of hating the person, here is a comment from the Watchtower.
W 7-15-61 p420 “Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's Word also says to "hate what is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked.” (Emphasis added)
Although the Watchtower usually gives lip service to the concept of hating the act, not the person, hate by way of actions is almost always there.
The above Watchtower quote is a not-so-common glimpse into the true nature of the Society...in writting!
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Selective Memory
by EmptyInside ini don't know if this is the case with everyone.
but,most jehovah's witnesses i know seem to have selective memory.
they will deny straight to your face that in 1995 ,the generation, was explained to be the wicked contemporaries.
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Witnesses' memories are always convenient, unless they are not up on the latest, as you pointed out. What is embarrassing is virtually always forgotten.
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From the book "Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry", p151, par1
"Concerning those who renounced their Christian faith in his day, the apostle John wrote: “They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us.” (1John 2:19) Also, a person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of a secular organization the objective of which is contrary to the Bible and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. (Compare Revelation 19:17-21; Isaiah 2:4) So if a person who is a Christian chooses to join those who are disapproved by God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he has disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Such a person would be viewed in the same way as a disfellowshipped person." (Bold added) -
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Did YOU Change In Your Personality After You Left The Organization?
by minimus inwe knock a lot of things about the witnesses.
i wonder if we're really all that much different in our personalities as exjws.. .
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Definitely, I got my old personality back, and it's still progressing. I am happier, smilier, friendlier with people, much more accepting of people, more open to their point of view, less judgemental mentally toward people (not that I said much when in the org, but I thought negative things, because of WTS beliefs and teachings, that I don't think now).
When in, I was getting more and more down, quieter, more withdrawn. It was happening because I just couldn't pretend to accept all the Watchtower concepts anymore. I had quit the TM School, even though people enjoyed my talks...I put much time, effort and thought into them.
Now I am free, and it feels so good! I find myself laughing a lot these days. I find humor in many things. This was part of me for a long time, but it was vanishing more and more the longer I stayed in, pretending, going through the motions. What a downer it is to have to pretend when things are dreadfully wrong.
No longer do I have to hear an assembly speaker say to the audience, "You are God's happy people," and that is a great thing.
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Great video. Shows 2 elders in complete denial, lying that the Society joined the UN. Will the lies of this organization never stop?
(the URL is in the title of the OP)
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JWs and hard times
by xelder inthe developed world is having hard economic times.
so, for a while now jw's have been voicing the familiar "it can't go on...things are so hard".
i'm in the usa, and the economics are tough, relative to this country.
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St George of England said,
"Russell wrote in the late 1890's that conditions were so bad he couldn't see how the world could possibly continue on until 1914."
I've read that somewhere. Does anybody have the reference where I can find it?
It's a remark so often repeated by JWs, and it goes back virtually to the beginning of the religion.
