Posts by ScenicViewer

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I think the Society might drop its appeal over the Conti case

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought to the recent development in which the judge has ruled that the society is barred from completing any property transactions until the appeal is over, which could take up to two years or even more.. i've submitted an article to randy at freeminds in which i basically argue that it is no longer in the society's interests to appeal this case.

if i correctly understand the restrictions placed on the society by the judge, then the governing body has far more to lose by appealing than they could conceivably gain.. think about it.... by appealing, they buy themselves time in which to formulate a long-term strategy for dealing with the fallout of this case, but will be barred from liquidating $1 billion in property assets at a time of global economic uncertainty when their donations are dwindling.

there is also no guarantee that their appeal will be upheld.by dropping their appeal, they take a hit and pay $23.8 million but retain the freedom to see through their real estate projects; retain their financial flexibility to respond to dwindling donations, and get to pretend to their followers (as with the un scandal) that it never happened.of course, i am only saying that dropping the appeal would be the only intelligent option for the society, assuming they are aware of how legally precarious their child abuse policies are.

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Diamondiiz,

Thanks for the input. I was not aware of that. I wonder if it was in Judge Rutherford's time. Sounds like something he might say.

Edit: Found one.

(W 9-1-1986, p28)
"A similar situation exists in the Christian congregation. Some individuals are used quite prominently, but others play rather inconspicuous roles as rank-and-file publishers of the Kingdom message."

I used the Watchtower CD. Found it pretty quickly, so there may be lots of other similar references. I guess I didn't read my Watchtower very well.

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I think the Society might drop its appeal over the Conti case

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought to the recent development in which the judge has ruled that the society is barred from completing any property transactions until the appeal is over, which could take up to two years or even more.. i've submitted an article to randy at freeminds in which i basically argue that it is no longer in the society's interests to appeal this case.

if i correctly understand the restrictions placed on the society by the judge, then the governing body has far more to lose by appealing than they could conceivably gain.. think about it.... by appealing, they buy themselves time in which to formulate a long-term strategy for dealing with the fallout of this case, but will be barred from liquidating $1 billion in property assets at a time of global economic uncertainty when their donations are dwindling.

there is also no guarantee that their appeal will be upheld.by dropping their appeal, they take a hit and pay $23.8 million but retain the freedom to see through their real estate projects; retain their financial flexibility to respond to dwindling donations, and get to pretend to their followers (as with the un scandal) that it never happened.of course, i am only saying that dropping the appeal would be the only intelligent option for the society, assuming they are aware of how legally precarious their child abuse policies are.

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I. Balaamsass said,

The Wtbts attorney has done such a great job.....Is he possibly a closet apostate ?

Well, attorney McCabe did use the term "rank and file" when describing Jonathan Kendrick's status in the congregation. (See Contra Costa Times article)

(I'm not actually saying that McCabe is working against Watchtower, that would be too much to hope for. It does seem odd that he would use such a term though. I have never heard one of Jehovah's Witnesses use language like that. Maybe he resorted to such language because it benefitted his case, which was to say Kendrick is really nobody of importance in the congregation. It wouldn't be odd to the jury to hear the 'rank and file' term.)

II. Not long ago Watchtower put up 60 Million Euros, held in escrow, while the France taxation case was being appealed to the European Court of Human Rights. If Watchtower can put up that kind of cash, it likely won't have any trouble scraping $24 Million together, to post in escrow, to free up it's billion dollars worth of real estate assets.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/218392/1/French-Branch-Wins-Tax-Money-back-from-European-Court

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For Immediate Release JW-MEDIA.org post response to child sex abuse verdict

by BlindersOff1 in

http://www.jw-media.org/usa/20120620.htm .

just plain old corporate denial.

let the games begin.. .

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strymeckirules noted,

"The jury rendered a multimillion-dollar damage award to a woman who claimed that she was molested as a child by a member of a local congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses." (From Watchtower's official Media web site.)

"they use the word "claimed" in such a way that it suggests she was lying and that this part of the case was not proven." (strymeckirules)

I too was struck by their use of the word 'claimed.' In reality there is no question that Candace Coti was molested by a Jehovah's Witness. The real issue in the trial was whether or not Watchtower contributed to the crime by it's policy of keeping the presence of known child molesters in a congregation secret from it's members, thereby putting them at risk.

By now saying 'a woman claimed she was molested...' the Society is using a bait-and-switch tactic to draw the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses and the public away from the real issues of the trial, and are making it look as if a lie is being perptrated against the Society and Jehovah's Witness members.

The ones really lying (cleverly) are the Governing Body and JW Media. Shameful!

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Abuse case in the news @ The Netherlands

by Gorbatchov in

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the child abuse case has reached the news in some newspapers @ the netherlands, europe..

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Are these hard copy papers only, or are they posted online? Can you post a scan or a weblink?

Thanks for this information!

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Candace Conti video on YouTube - let's send it viral!

by cedars in

i've uploaded a video that discusses the dramatic jury verdict regarding the abuse suffered by candace conti, of which you are all aware.

if you're not yet familiar with the story for any reason, please check out my blog article on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/general-information/the-watchtower-punished-society-loses-legal-battle-over-child-abuse-case.

john hoyle suggested i get a youtube video out fairly quickly so that we can spread the message more effectively online.

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I just saw the video and like it alot. Despite a small technical point or two, the video is excellent because it gets to the points of what happened in Coti's case, what the Watchtower policies are that contributed to her molestation (keeping a known pedophile secret from the congregation, thus endangering other children), and does so in a non-sensational, docuentary-like fashion.

I honestly believe this video would get my attention if I was an active Witnesses.

The quality of the writing and narration are superb!

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Rick Fearon's interview with attorney Rick Simons and Barbara Anderson is now up on 6 Screens

by ScenicViewer in

follow this link, scroll down to entry dated 6-16-2012.. http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/telenetwork/six-screens.php.

edit: warning, you will have to listen to several minutes of music before rick starts talking.. edit 2: this is a 5 hour program.

a progress bar will appear the allows you to fast forward, but it took many minutes for it to load on my computer.

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From other posts I understand that Watchtower will pay 40% of the compensatory damages, and all of the punitive damages.

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Rick Fearon's interview with attorney Rick Simons and Barbara Anderson is now up on 6 Screens

by ScenicViewer in

follow this link, scroll down to entry dated 6-16-2012.. http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/telenetwork/six-screens.php.

edit: warning, you will have to listen to several minutes of music before rick starts talking.. edit 2: this is a 5 hour program.

a progress bar will appear the allows you to fast forward, but it took many minutes for it to load on my computer.

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Hello Cedars,

"There were a few cut outs when everything went silent mid-sentence."

Unfortunately there were about 5 or 6 of those from the beginning of the broadcast until Simons' segment ended. Some sort a a technical glitch, as Rick Fearon kept saying.

"Then there's the old guy who keeps interjecting."

That was Richard Rawe, a long-time fighter of Watchtower injustice . Today I read that he was disfellowshipped in 1975. His harsh sounding voice is an after effect of a stroke.

Edit. Slimboyfat, you beat me to the Richard Rawe part. Thanks for the Apocalypse Delayed information .

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Rick Fearon's interview with attorney Rick Simons and Barbara Anderson is now up on 6 Screens

by ScenicViewer in

follow this link, scroll down to entry dated 6-16-2012.. http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/telenetwork/six-screens.php.

edit: warning, you will have to listen to several minutes of music before rick starts talking.. edit 2: this is a 5 hour program.

a progress bar will appear the allows you to fast forward, but it took many minutes for it to load on my computer.

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Attorney Rick Simons was on for about 45 min. Listening to him was a pleasure.

As to the upcoming appeals, he said he would much rather be on Candace Coti's side than Wathtower's. Is that the requisite posturing of an attorney? We'll see. We'll probably be following this for years to come.

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Rick Fearon's interview with attorney Rick Simons and Barbara Anderson is now up on 6 Screens

by ScenicViewer in

follow this link, scroll down to entry dated 6-16-2012.. http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/telenetwork/six-screens.php.

edit: warning, you will have to listen to several minutes of music before rick starts talking.. edit 2: this is a 5 hour program.

a progress bar will appear the allows you to fast forward, but it took many minutes for it to load on my computer.

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Attorney Rick Simons enters the program at 1 hour 30 seconds (1:00:30).

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Rick Fearon's interview with attorney Rick Simons and Barbara Anderson is now up on 6 Screens

by ScenicViewer in

follow this link, scroll down to entry dated 6-16-2012.. http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/telenetwork/six-screens.php.

edit: warning, you will have to listen to several minutes of music before rick starts talking.. edit 2: this is a 5 hour program.

a progress bar will appear the allows you to fast forward, but it took many minutes for it to load on my computer.

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@ Slimboyfat,

I noticed that Rick is still promoting Johnny the Bethelite story. I was hoping we wouldn't be hearing any more about that.