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  California Elder Arrested

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  crime.

  daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

  there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .

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  Fisherman: No I am not. Not all animals are swine.

  As mentioned, you are running on empty.
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  California Elder Arrested

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  crime.

  daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

  there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .

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  Fisherman: Not all sexual misbehavior is as serious as rape and not all indictments result in an adjudication of "guilty."

  Again you are trying to cloud the issue. All rape is sexual misbehavior.
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  California Elder Arrested

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  crime.

  daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

  there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .

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  Fisherman: Wrong. Cops were indicted for rape, not sexual misbehavior. And they are not "being guilty."

  You are actually arguing that rape isn't sexual misbehavior?

  Sure, just like being on this 'apostate' site isn't a violation of Watchtower teaching.

  Creating a cloud of senseless confusion by parsing words, simply to avoid answering direct questions is your whole point - And the question was, What is the point of posting an article about police detectives raping someone on this thread?

  You are running on empty Fisherman.

  
  
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  California Elder Arrested

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  crime.

  daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

  there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .

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  @ Fisherman

  I'm curious too, why did you link to an article about police detectives being guilty of sexual misbehavior in a thread about a JW elder molesting an underage teenager and being arrested for it?

  Is it to prove that JWs are no worse than 'wordly' people?
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  Big xJW scandal

  by Charlotte in

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  2. scandals

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  ScenicViewer

  Like others, I have no idea what you are saying in this post. But I think I did get this part...

  and the sex with the girl was with tongue and finger, not traditional. No! not sex! must stay married!

  That's nonsense. JWs consider fornication to be any kind of sex between unmarried people (and in other situations too); it can be performed with the fingers or tongue. Only the sex organ of one individual need be included for JWs to call it sex. If it happened it is definitely fornication in JWs eyes, and it is grounds for divorce.

  Where are you getting this?

  Never mind.
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  It's been a GREAT week for me!

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so as some of you know i have a podcast called this jw life.

  i put my story out there in 9 parts, and i've had lots of great experiences so far and met lots of nice people and i've made new internet friends, even some in person.

  this last seven days though has been soooooo cool!.

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  An excellent post! I haven't seen your podcasts but I plan on watching them all now.

  It seems that every time I go onto Youtube new broadcasts pop up from ex-JWs - I can't believe how many there are. They are quality people, putting out great videos, revealing the truth about a horrid organization, and getting results

  Is there still anyone out there who thinks that the internet isn't killing Watchtower?
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  JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

  they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

  they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

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  @ Listener, thanks for the explanation.
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  JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

  they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

  they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

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  But I would imagine the upcoming protest that the governing body members are invited to will be turned into something like (Look the nations are coming after us the END IS NEAR!!!)

  Could someone clarify - What is the upcoming protest that the Governing Body have been invited to?
  
  
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  The Key Text on JW.Org Leaves Out The Most Important Part!

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  perhaps the one scripture most often quoted by jws is matthew 24:14: "this good news of the kingdomwill be preached in all the inhabited earth and then the end will come.

  " even after decades away from the kingdom hall, i can still rattle off that verse.

  i daresay all 8-plus million "active" jws can also recite it, plus the untold millions who have left or become inactive across the decades.. it is among the top cornerstone texts used in jw communications.. but now there's a significant shift in the use of that text: jws often focused heavily on the part of the scripture about the end coming.

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  It's part of their re-branding scheme I suppose.

  They are attempting to distance themselves from their long time reputation of being 'doomsday prophets,' earned because for over 100 years they preached an 'end of the world' message that never happened. Now they are emphasizing the 'preaching' aspect of Mt 24:14, but leaving off the 'end of the world' part of it.

  We will see how that works for them.
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  Update on the $4000 day fine - Padron v Watchtower

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  from reddit:.

  this was an oral argument to dismiss the $4000/day fine.

  both sides presented their arguments and now the judges will write an opinion (30 to 90 days).

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  The article linked by Acluetofindtheuser points to a huge double standard by Watchtower attorneys.

  In the case of victim Jose Lopez, Jude Joan Lewis imposed terminating sanctions against Watchtower attorneys for refusing to turn over court ordered documents. As a result she awarded a $13.5 million dollar judgement against the Watchtower parties involved.

  Naturally Watchtower appealed, arguing that lesser sanctions should have been tried first, before going to terminating sanctions. The appellate court agreed.

  The linked article explains...
  

  Attorneys for the Watchtower filed an appeal. They argued that Judge Lewis had acted too soon in issuing the $13.5 million in sanctions and instead the trial court should have imposed less severe sanctions. The appellate court agreed. In their ruling, the justices wrote, "We conclude the court erred in ordering terminating sanctions because there was no evidence that lesser sanctions would have failed to obtain Watchtower's compliance with the document production order and because there were other possible sanctions that could have effectively remedied the discovery violation.

  Next up, another case against Watchtower, brought by Osbaldo Padron, another victim of the same molester (Gonzalo Campos) as Jose Lopez. Judge Richard Strauss presides in this case.

  The article continues...

  Then, last year in the Padron case, a different superior court judge, Richard Strauss, followed the appellate court's advice and instead of issuing terminating sanctions imposed $4000 daily sanctions on the Watchtower for refusing to turn over the documents that Padron's attorneys had requested.

  Watchtower attorneys appealed again, saying that daily sanctions, which were an intermediate step compared to the terminating sanctions imposed in the Lopez case - something that they had previously argued for - were out of place.
  The appellate court justices noticed the double standard.

  More from the article...

  On October 11, those attorneys appeared before the Fourth District Appellate Court to argue that the trial court was wrong to issue daily sanctions — exactly what they had argued for in the appellate court Lopez case just months prior.

  
  Justice Richard Huffman did not hide his displeasure that Watchtower's attorneys were arguing against what they had previously supported to the same court.

  
  "You can't have it both ways," Huffman said during argument. "[The Lopez] ruling has come around to bite you and now you're saying, 'not fair, not fair.' You were headed in one direction before and now you’re headed another way. It's a breathtaking position to listen to."

  Yes, regarding Watchtower's argument Justice Huffman said "It's a breathtaking position to listen to."

  It's very pleasing to read that the Courts are catching on to Watchtower's double standards and duplicitous arguments, and are nearing exhaustion listening to them.