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  what big change could bring down the watchtower?

  by stan livedeath in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what single big change do you think could back fire and bring the cult down ?.

  me: tithing..

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  Slimboyfat: (My secretary Morph can provide the links)

  Now that's a real knee slapper. I gotta catch my breath!
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  "ah yes Dad, do you mean those times when Jehovah made those mistakes and errors?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so...while chatting with my ultra "spiritual elder" father on the phone this afternoon, i couldn't resist using that line!.

  i had sent him that video of the recent convention showing brothers and sisters dancing to the "kingdom song" and waving their illuminated phones and arms in the air like some sort of revival church concert.

  (perhaps someone can post that link to that thread again here?).

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  LURKERS: IF WATCHTOWER IS HOLDING YOU HOSTAGE, BY FEAR OF LOOSING FAMILY. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS! HIT EM WHERE IT HURTS ($$$)!

  I have to mention how much I agree with this, wholeheartedly. If you aren't giving Watchtower your money, and if you aren't actively trying to make converts, you are not helping Watchtower one bit.

  I certainly understand people not wanting to give up family and their entire social structure by leaving, so they stay in only to maintain relationships, but they are out and non-supportive in ways that really count.
  
  
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  "ah yes Dad, do you mean those times when Jehovah made those mistakes and errors?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so...while chatting with my ultra "spiritual elder" father on the phone this afternoon, i couldn't resist using that line!.

  i had sent him that video of the recent convention showing brothers and sisters dancing to the "kingdom song" and waving their illuminated phones and arms in the air like some sort of revival church concert.

  (perhaps someone can post that link to that thread again here?).

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  Oops, double post!
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  "ah yes Dad, do you mean those times when Jehovah made those mistakes and errors?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so...while chatting with my ultra "spiritual elder" father on the phone this afternoon, i couldn't resist using that line!.

  i had sent him that video of the recent convention showing brothers and sisters dancing to the "kingdom song" and waving their illuminated phones and arms in the air like some sort of revival church concert.

  (perhaps someone can post that link to that thread again here?).

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  When I sent that clip along with an actual pentecostal revival meeting, and asked what was the difference I got blocked.

  It certainly does look and feel more like a Pentecostal revival than a Jehovah's Witness assembly (except for the music).
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  Hi, all...I'm a faithful JW who is sick of lies about us

  by James Donalds in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was baptized 30 years ago and have been in the faith for over 35 years.. our organization isn't perfect.

  but i'm sick to death of seeing stereotypes about us.

  we are not mindless automatons.

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  Oops, duplicate post.
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  Hi, all...I'm a faithful JW who is sick of lies about us

  by James Donalds in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was baptized 30 years ago and have been in the faith for over 35 years.. our organization isn't perfect.

  but i'm sick to death of seeing stereotypes about us.

  we are not mindless automatons.

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  Hi all...I'm a faithful JW...

  No you're not.

  Troll,troll,troll your boat gently down the stream merrily,merrily,merrily on your way.....

  Nicely put brother Smiddy!
  
  
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  Does a jw have to miss counting time for 6 months to be inactive

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how many months consecutively does a jw have to miss turning in time to be inactive?.

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  • • Way back when, if I remember correctly, a person was considered inactive as soon as the person didn't report any hours.

      Missing for 1 to 5 months is irregular.

      Missing for 6 or more is inactive.

      Slim and Morpheus - two of my favorite posters - did get it and agreed!

    
    

  
  
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  Matthew 24:34 not fulfilled in the first century

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was discussing with an elder the generation teaching and telling him when jesus christ says in matthew 24:34 “truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” he was referring to the generation from the first century in 33 ad and these events that were to take place took place with the destruction of jerusalem in 70 ad.

  now the elder tells me to go back to a few verses to from verses 29-33 which read: .

  “immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,+ and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.+ 30 then the sign of the son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,+ and they will see the son of man+ coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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  Thanks to Vanderhoven7 for providing an alternate explanation to that of JWs.

  That all of these things would happen "immediately" after the other things described is definitely a point of contention to the JW interpretation. To them immediately means 2000 years later and counting, and that's a problem.
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  if pre 1975 you said "The system will still be here late 2017" what would be the J.W's reaction?

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one word for it.....apostate!

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  It's the equivalent of saying this system will still be here in 2059. Most JWs would scoff at this idea.
  I'll be 75 years old. If i'm still alive i'll be looking for some JWs in their carts asking why the big A hasn't come.

  It's a real shame that Witnesses in 2059 will be just as in denial about what is being said today as Witnesses today are about 1975, and Witnesses of the 1970s were about the 1940s, and Witnesses of the 1940s were about 1925, and Witnesses of 1925 were about 1914, and Witnesses of 1914 were about 1874.

  It's a religion of denial, and they feel clever when they blame earlier Witnesses for 'misunderstanding,' or being 'overzealous,' as if it was just a few followers that were not following the Organization carefully enough.

  However, as time goes on a little bit of reality seeps in between the cracks of denial and a few awaken. Hopefully by 2059 many will be awake.
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  Hell Exists

  by Poppy520 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many people of all denominations are beginning to believe that hell does not exist - but the bible supports the claim that it does.

  examine this verse, one under nkjv and the other nwt:.

  nkjv - matthew 25:46, "and these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.".

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  The God of the Bible is loyal to his friends and loves them and avenges them.

  He avenges them - that's how God shows his love and loyalty to his friends? If he can step in and avenge them, why can't he step in a little sooner to prevent the suffering in the first place - if he really loves them?