It's because we understand a liturgy: you have a whole lotta intermediate steps until the payoff; best to make the intermediate steps worthwhile. Catholics are all wait, wait, wait, boom!
Just sayin'.
Posts by Sulla
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306I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!
by minimus inmy italian friend loves going to the "feasts" that occur in italy, boston or nyc.
these feasts feature a "saint" with dollar bills pinned around her and they parade the saint in a long procession and chant "viva (whomever)".
they are quite serious about this and are proud to talk about the past generations of observers who appreciated the events.
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Is going from the JWs to another Religion just a "Rebound?"
by braincleaned in*a rebound is the need to fill a void with something we partly had confort in; whether in romance or faith.... .
i posted the following in another thread, and i welcome your feedback - especially if you disagree with my logic.
"as per one of my notes, my biggest fear is my, our, natural tendency for confirmation bias.
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Sulla
Am I not being clear? Of course any thought precedes written record. How does that make the Bible any more coherent with logic and reason?
I contend that the spiritual and moral matters in the Bible are no more relevant than its medical, scientific mumbo jumbo. I think my OP is very clear.No, you were clear. Perhaps you don't understand your argument. Belief in the Christian God doesn't come from sciptures and the scriptures (with some exceptions) are not theological works. So, as I said, you've got your cart and horses all helter skelter.
Sulla: " Finally: consider the (very remote) possibility that you are not quite as awesome as you think."
This is my constant concern. This is why I fight confirmation bias. I was a christian minister for over 4 decades -- beleive me, it was damn hard to let go. I lost my family for just being coherant with my conscience.I suspect you mean to say you were a JW for 4 decades. That is more nearly the opposite of being a Christian. The bad habits picked up as a JW are hard to let go, for sure. One particularly bad habit is the idea that you are just so amazing and insightful and everyone else who thinks differently is stupid.
Very difficult to let go of. As we can see.
In time, the more I know, the more questions I raise. I will never have all the answers, but I try hard to understand the questions the best I can.
Hmm. You seem to think you've got it pretty well sorted.
How ironic that someone who thinks the Unvierse was created with them in mind would dare hint on me being the conceited one. LOL!
How could anyone dare hint you think too much of yourself, indeed? But, as I try to point out, this is typical half-educated, JW-leftover bullshit, I'm afraid. I mean, you've just made a pretty uneducated comment here and you are entirely unaware of it. I can help: in the Christian understanding, the knowledge that God created all things with humans in mind should make humans
a) less humble
b) more humble
I think you got this question wrong the first time.
As for morality, the simple fact that we have only recently considered slavery a bad thing proves how far we have come to the Abrahamic god's filthy immorality. Just like all the other myths, he ended up proven man-made with human bad traits. (This goes for Jesus who fully supports the Law in Matt. 5.)
Ah. I see you disregarded that parts where I suggested a) s uppose that this experience of the transcendent happens to people who very like us in some ways and very unlike us in other ways and b) consider the (very remote) possibility that you are not quite as awesome as you think. Really, people should listen to me more. It's like I'm talking to myself.
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Evolution of languages
by oldlightnewshite inhere's an interesting tidbit from the yahoo website, about the evolution of languages, all threading from a common ancestor about 8,000 years ago.
could be a good thing to talk about to help family members realise ttatt...... tower of babel my arse.. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/english-language-began-turkey-180502182.html.
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Sulla
Aren't most JW counters uninformed? Great visuals!
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SOLOMON'S SEAL: Pentagram or Hexagram?
by cameo-d inthe symbol of the hexagram, the star-like figure formed by two triangles, has many connotations, especially when it is enclosed by a circle; super-natural powers have been attributed to it in many parts of the world since ancient times.. .
in europe, the pentagram is usually known as king solomon's seal, while the hexagram is known as the star of david; and it is often assumed that this was always the case..... .
however, the evidence points to the gradual evolution of the hexagram from a roman cosmological symbol to a religious and magical symbol which was not specifically connected to one religion or people.
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Sulla
Is that what you heard? Union of male and female? Sounds like DaVinci Code to me.
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Is going from the JWs to another Religion just a "Rebound?"
by braincleaned in*a rebound is the need to fill a void with something we partly had confort in; whether in romance or faith.... .
i posted the following in another thread, and i welcome your feedback - especially if you disagree with my logic.
"as per one of my notes, my biggest fear is my, our, natural tendency for confirmation bias.
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Sulla
So, nobody sees the problem with the claim that the God of Jews and Christians "originates" his "existence" from written scriptures. I see King Solomon, nearly hits the answer while taking one of his fan-pleasing roundhouse kicks at religion, but everyone else just sits around scratching.
Big concepts, baby steps. Ok, suppose for a second that the experience of the transcendent precedes the written record of it.
You with me? Ok, now suppose that this experience of the transcendent happens to people who very like us in some ways and very unlike us in other ways.
Pause...
Finally, imagine that much of our own moral code is dependent on the gradual development that begins waaaaay back a long time ago.
Finally: consider the (very remote) possibility that you are not quite as awesome as you think.
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Evolution of languages
by oldlightnewshite inhere's an interesting tidbit from the yahoo website, about the evolution of languages, all threading from a common ancestor about 8,000 years ago.
could be a good thing to talk about to help family members realise ttatt...... tower of babel my arse.. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/english-language-began-turkey-180502182.html.
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Sulla
Not really useful: the counter is too easy. Thus: well, sure language has developed over time; the important thing to note is that they all have a common origin. In this case, Turkey, which is not far from the Tower of Babel. So, this is more of a confirmation of what weve been saying rather than a problem.
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Is going from the JWs to another Religion just a "Rebound?"
by braincleaned in*a rebound is the need to fill a void with something we partly had confort in; whether in romance or faith.... .
i posted the following in another thread, and i welcome your feedback - especially if you disagree with my logic.
"as per one of my notes, my biggest fear is my, our, natural tendency for confirmation bias.
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Does anyone here see any problem with the statement that the exisence of the Christian God originates from written scriptures? As a logical criticism of a position you may not have yourself, of course? Anyone? Little problem? Teeny little cart-before-the-horse thing? Little assuming facts not in evidence sorta error? Look in the dictionary under: conclusion, jumping to. Anyone?
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I Believe Catholicism And Its Trappings Are Silly, Strange & Weird!!!
by minimus inmy italian friend loves going to the "feasts" that occur in italy, boston or nyc.
these feasts feature a "saint" with dollar bills pinned around her and they parade the saint in a long procession and chant "viva (whomever)".
they are quite serious about this and are proud to talk about the past generations of observers who appreciated the events.
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Sulla
I see. Curious: why didn't you just say you are insane right at the start? Couldn't we have all saved some time and aggravation? You could say, "I am crazy and respond with complete fury whenever anyone indirectly insults the religion one grandparent practiced." Then everyone would know. Save some time, see?
But, hey, as a Catholic not specifically named (and, by the way, "Catholic" is a proper noun and is, in English, capitalized), I appreciate your apology. Insincere apologies are fascinating to me but usually I dont get to see quite so much absurd self-justification. You've elevated it to the next level, really, and I applaud you. Well done.
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Sulla
Very occasionally, the JWs are the least crazy people in the room.
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Do We Exist As a Material Person In a Material World?
by JamesThomas inthis may at first seem a strange question.
but it may be an extremely important question to ask.. .
let's start with the weird fact that only one in ten, or rather 10% of the cells in/on our physical body -- is what we would call "us".
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Sulla
Well, that's just an argument which asserts matter does not exist. Not sure that's a good place to start...